tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post9131894111344738653..comments2024-03-27T12:53:39.298+01:00Comments on A view from the cycle path: Christchurch New Zealand Cycle Design GuidelinesDavid Hembrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-41886335372739522392014-03-13T01:06:45.526+01:002014-03-13T01:06:45.526+01:00FYI a hook turn for motor vehicles has existed at ...FYI a hook turn for motor vehicles has existed at certain intersections in central Melbourne for many years. This is so right turning vehicles don't hold up trams.<br /><br />The related sign -<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_turn<br />- is a minor cultural icon that you can find on coffee cups and tea towels.<br /><br />Strong and brave cyclists take their place in the queue of Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17743054149047779790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-58599598492216339252014-02-23T04:11:40.534+01:002014-02-23T04:11:40.534+01:00Thanks David for your response. I've now had a...Thanks David for your response. I've now had a chance to think through the various concerns and put together my response - see http://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2014/02/23/are-the-chch-cycle-design-guidelines-up-to-scratch/. I hope this is helpful; certainly your feedback has helped me to think through some issues that we have to grapple with in our future cycleways. Glenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05378774855988056741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-63780741020426119472014-02-21T10:06:32.065+01:002014-02-21T10:06:32.065+01:00"The design of shared paths needs to encourag..."The design of shared paths needs to encourage slower cycle speeds so the cyclist slows closer to the pace of a pedestrian."<br /><br />Now I know why the paths in Australia and New Zealand suck so bad! <br /><br />It's because they're designed to "encourage slower cycle speeds".<br /><br />Seriously, why is it considered acceptable that people with no experience Architectonichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00768214042986413291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-32256372894169035762014-02-19T11:54:34.387+01:002014-02-19T11:54:34.387+01:00Glen: Thanks for your reply. It's interesting ...Glen: Thanks for your reply. It's interesting to hear from someone who has been involved in creating this document.<br /><br />The problem with publishing even conceptual ideas of what infrastructure should look like is that these often become fixed in peoples' minds as what the infrastructure really should look like. That's <a href="http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/2014/02/David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-57510892150912169512014-02-19T11:27:16.721+01:002014-02-19T11:27:16.721+01:00Hello David, thank you for your considered comment...Hello David, thank you for your considered comments about the Chch Cycle Design Guidelines. However, as someone who had a little bit to do with the Guidelines (stakeholder group) and more to do with the implementation of the actual new cycleways, I feel I have to rebut some of your stated concerns. There's a fair bit there, so I think I will post something in detail on my <a href="http://Glenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05378774855988056741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-45527750977318757172014-02-18T10:28:13.751+01:002014-02-18T10:28:13.751+01:00I think you're absolutely right, Felix.
Anyw...I think you're absolutely right, Felix. <br /><br />Anyway, I hope you can use this to get better designs in NZ.David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-59970162941962118902014-02-18T10:24:22.839+01:002014-02-18T10:24:22.839+01:00Hi David, It sounds as though this may be a case o...Hi David, It sounds as though this may be a case of "Cargo Cult Design" <br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_science<br /><br />Which is surely sad and doomed to fail.<br /><br />Thanks for your input it will no doubt be useful to the campaigners!Felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03689421181380172231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-91182389415601114752014-02-17T23:43:22.571+01:002014-02-17T23:43:22.571+01:00Hi David,
I think the rubbish you're referrin...Hi David,<br /><br />I think the rubbish you're referring to is a junction n Southampton which <a href="http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/2013/08/tfls-terrible-two-stage-right-turn.html#southampton" rel="nofollow">I wrote about last August</a>. Yes, it's utter garbage. A dangerous design, similar to those which kill in Denmark<br /><br />I lived in NZ for nearly 9 years... but that wasDavid Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-64078567531416973802014-02-17T23:31:17.504+01:002014-02-17T23:31:17.504+01:00Hi David
I think your blog is great, I am so jea...Hi David <br /><br />I think your blog is great, I am so jealous of the cycle infrastructure in the NL. I live in Norwich where the councils idea of cycle provision separated from cars is shared use pavements of which I despise! These rubbish designs for Christchurch look just like the rubbish now been put in in Southampton "http://smalltown2k.wordpress.com/2014/02/15/Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14596092795645760046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-37909470990157401872014-02-17T22:21:32.064+01:002014-02-17T22:21:32.064+01:00Hi David-
Thanks for you insightful article. I cyc...Hi David-<br />Thanks for you insightful article. I cycle 30 kms everyday in chch and I think that we have the best natural conditions for cycling- flat ground and little rain. However, like megan said, the current conditions aren't ideal.<br />I had read the guidelines previously and what struck me the most was the prevalence of on-road cycle paths. This is not what I had pictured when I JDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12292594107501350736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-78703849406873291652014-02-17T10:14:01.463+01:002014-02-17T10:14:01.463+01:00Hi Megan,
Thanks for your comment. There's no...Hi Megan,<br /><br />Thanks for your comment. There's no good reason why Christchurch can't have excellent conditions for cyclists, but infrastructure such as that in their design guide won't get you there.<br /><br />As for your problem with road works, this too should never happen.<br /><br />Any time that I've had to ride on the road because of road works in the Netherlands, David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-59374246880303738352014-02-17T09:28:53.579+01:002014-02-17T09:28:53.579+01:00As a Christchurch cyclist I was horrified to read ...As a Christchurch cyclist I was horrified to read how wrong they have got it. Many of the examples of issues that you cite already exist in the current cycle lane infrastructure, such as:<br />Cycle lanes that go between left turn and straight ahead lanes - these are really common, and yes they do get cars cutting over them, and usually, stopping over them.<br />The dreaded left hook cycle lane -meganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10494678792239351918noreply@blogger.com