tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post815714231735486716..comments2024-03-27T12:53:39.298+01:00Comments on A view from the cycle path: Netherlands' traffic deaths down againDavid Hembrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-45339925188280059162011-09-12T13:32:02.917+02:002011-09-12T13:32:02.917+02:00Very interesting to read your analysis ... and fru...Very interesting to read your analysis ... and frustrating that it's hard to compare stats between countries. I live in Brighton and Hove, and I have a child, and I cycle, and the State is encouraging me to use the bicycle to get to work and school.<br /><br />So I want to ask is it more dangerous to cycle - or to use the car? The 2010 stats say there were 17,000 cyclists injured on British Russell Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10193284835990369252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-16132799681724138422011-05-03T06:51:07.017+02:002011-05-03T06:51:07.017+02:00I would suggest to look closely at the figures for...I would suggest to look closely at the figures for oil prices. There is an uncannily close correlation with the Netherlands traffic deaths graph. This also helps remind us that it is motor vehicles that do the killing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Oil_Prices_1861_2007.svgPeternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-49085533002915361802011-04-27T07:21:31.469+02:002011-04-27T07:21:31.469+02:00@tOM Trottier these are all deaths. No causes spec...@tOM Trottier these are all deaths. No causes specified.Mark W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07882028603632115187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-29285507002904702912011-04-27T04:22:27.447+02:002011-04-27T04:22:27.447+02:00Does that include all cycling deaths, or only coll...Does that include all cycling deaths, or only collisions with motor vehicles?tOM Trottierhttp://SafeCycling.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-4886438192027456292011-04-20T23:41:22.069+02:002011-04-20T23:41:22.069+02:00@townmouse. I heard some of that broadcast as well...@townmouse. I heard some of that broadcast as well. Frankly, the head of the UK's main cyclists' organisation is 'dangerous' and 'worse than useless'. When asked what we could learn from successful policies abroad, he could only suggest 20mph speed limits. This was a programme about cyclist safety, for heaven's sake, and he refused to countenance the idea that, just inconvenient_truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17888983434920764431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-2139965692746960442011-04-20T16:15:36.183+02:002011-04-20T16:15:36.183+02:00The United Kingdom claims to have lowest road deat...The United Kingdom claims to have lowest road death rate in the European Union (at 3.8 per 100,000 inhabitants, NL has 3.9 per 100,000 inhabitants), however, the UK has one of the worst records for child pedestrian and cycle deaths in the EU.<br /><br />Another thing which should be noted (certainly here in the UK and probably elsewhere) is the fall in death rates is far faster than serious Kimhttp://kimharding.net/blog/?cat=9noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-49883946643663105262011-04-20T15:35:27.735+02:002011-04-20T15:35:27.735+02:00@Townmouse
Most of the ones I presently ride, I w...@Townmouse<br /><br />Most of the ones I presently ride, I would agree with him. They're appallingly maintainted, badly designed and end in places seemingly designed to place you in the largest possible amount of danger. I only had one ear on the discussion, but assume the comment was in response to the various callers demanding that we stop using "their" (motorists) roads?<br /><John the Monkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12048680743149584464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-88396070128341576282011-04-20T10:12:20.157+02:002011-04-20T10:12:20.157+02:00Well shared use pavements as implemented in UK are...Well shared use pavements as implemented in UK are generally the worst form of cycle provision - however they should call that a 'separated cycle track'. I didn't hear the radio program though.Neilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11443493823465136241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-77561566554507559222011-04-20T07:41:57.760+02:002011-04-20T07:41:57.760+02:00@Mark, the sentence (The number... than before.) c...@Mark, the sentence (The number... than before.) came from the Volkskrant.<br />About the information about the police, well, it could be Dagblad v/h Noorden or the radio (1)...<br />I am suspicious about statistics when the are much better than a year before. Always something changed with the gathering of such material, not always deliberately, but...Theo Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02188352361564719225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-7401901401690667752011-04-19T23:43:09.874+02:002011-04-19T23:43:09.874+02:00And yet today, the head of the UK's main cycli...And yet today, the head of the UK's main cyclists' organisation was able to say on national radio (without any contradiction) that separated cycle tracks were 'dangerous' and 'worse than useless'. Dutch cars must be made of foam rubber, if that's the casetownmousehttp://cityexile.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-47238713557984565392011-04-19T22:04:56.455+02:002011-04-19T22:04:56.455+02:00@Theo Z. I don’t know what paper you read, but I c...@Theo Z. I don’t know what paper you read, but I could not find any that printed anything about ‘lies’. The figures are not about injuries either so it is confusing to bring those into the discussion.<br /><br />To find out more I went to the source and found that SWOV indeed “have their doubts” about the accuracy of the figures because the police do not register all deaths. It would be bad if Mark W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07882028603632115187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-39462168311309444992011-04-19T17:17:47.368+02:002011-04-19T17:17:47.368+02:00In todays papers, a day later, it is about: lies, ...In todays papers, a day later, it is about: lies, gross lies and statistics.<br />It seems that the police, due to little time, doesn't accurately write down all the casualties.<br />But that doesn't mean that the figures didn't drop, they are only a little less optimistic. According to SWOV (Stichting Onderzoek Verkeersveiligheid): "The number of people injured in road accidentsTheo Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02188352361564719225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-2812433811116840082011-04-19T09:02:51.028+02:002011-04-19T09:02:51.028+02:00Excellent news! I hope road deaths will be taken m...Excellent news! I hope road deaths will be taken more seriously everywhere else (read: America) soon.<br /><br />Further evidence that separate facilities are the way to go!Severinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-83024144187313148712011-04-19T08:45:13.043+02:002011-04-19T08:45:13.043+02:00The UK would also claim a much reduced casualty ra...The UK would also claim a much reduced casualty rate compared to the 1970s. The difference being that pedestrians and cyclists have reduced in number having been intimidated off the road.OldGreyBeardnoreply@blogger.com