tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post4542279028869195663..comments2024-03-27T12:53:39.298+01:00Comments on A view from the cycle path: How much does it cost to park a car ?David Hembrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-17511671835064143132011-05-14T14:29:41.807+02:002011-05-14T14:29:41.807+02:00Free parking ISN'T...that is an oxymoron. Free...Free parking ISN'T...that is an oxymoron. Free parking costs, it is paid for by general fund taxes, gross sprawl, etc, etc.<br /><br />The USA has to be one of the worst, in many cases parking has driven out viable small businesses causing some areas to become waste lands. Parking does not add to a tax base or typically bring in any sort of viable revenue.<br /><br />Aaron2whls3spdshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16954543886269776858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-42975372737775553692011-05-10T22:56:38.372+02:002011-05-10T22:56:38.372+02:00examinedspoke: This is the charge for the city cen...examinedspoke: This is the charge for the city centre parking. The most premium spot. Most car parking in Assen is free of charge, certainly at all shops, offices, restaurants and residential addresses outside the centre.David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-64756855410712807542011-05-10T22:49:18.773+02:002011-05-10T22:49:18.773+02:00I agree with the main point, but I might point out...I agree with the main point, but I might point out that €1.67 per hour works out to €40 per day, which I'd find expensive in a city of roughly 100,000 people. Similarly sized cities in the "provinces" of my home State of California (Bakersfield, say) would generally have no parking fees at all in their central business districts. You'd have to go to the major population centers Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-69290445002906401622011-05-10T13:54:41.038+02:002011-05-10T13:54:41.038+02:00Car parks in South Gloucestershire are generally f...Car parks in South Gloucestershire are generally free but often with a two hour limit. I don't know who pays for the facility, either local residents or businesses through council tax and business rates. Equally the council will subsidise bus services but there is little evidence of any investment in cycling. Even my old school play ground is now a staff car park. Plenty of carrots over here,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-56242176293970413012011-05-10T11:37:43.351+02:002011-05-10T11:37:43.351+02:00David said;
"The only growth possible in cyc...David said;<br /><br />"The only growth possible in cycling in low cycling nations is by convincing people who don't do it to start doing it. Causing conflict is not a way to win allies. Rather, cycling has to offer a solution to the problems which drivers face."<br /><br />..and he's right, of course. Point taken!ibikelondonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06978714126105951294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-42654440394741689542011-05-09T18:22:16.403+02:002011-05-09T18:22:16.403+02:00Mark, I'm all for making it more convenient to...Mark, I'm all for making it more convenient to cycle than to drive, and of course the Dutch have <a href="http://hembrow.blogspot.com/search/label/directness" rel="nofollow">achieved more than any other nation</a> in making this the case. I'm also very keen to see cities transformed to favour cycling over driving, and again see find that <a href="http://hembrow.blogspot.com/search/label/David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-90191810904649256022011-05-09T17:54:51.150+02:002011-05-09T17:54:51.150+02:00I disagree, slightly, David. I think the first pr...I disagree, slightly, David. I think the first priority is of course to make the streets inviting for cyclists, but I don't think we should be making streets inviting for motoring too, certainly in cities and town. I remember you writing about how cyclists can cut through a town centre, whereas cars have to go around the ring road and this strikes me as a carrot and stick scenario.<br /><bribikelondonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06978714126105951294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-62910106747330043102011-05-09T15:46:22.136+02:002011-05-09T15:46:22.136+02:00This is precisely why cycling promotion in the Uni...This is precisely why cycling promotion in the United States is such a failure. And anecdotally, Americans still insist that it's the Dutch who are more anti-car.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-52932683346778353112011-05-09T15:14:20.334+02:002011-05-09T15:14:20.334+02:00€1.67 per hour strikes me as reflecting the true c...€1.67 per hour strikes me as reflecting the true cost of parking, which is often underestimated. But cars need parking at both ends of the journey. Frits B touches on this -- even if car drivers pay for parking when shopping, they often have free or cheap parking at the other end.<br /><br />This is because the local authority denies building permits if you don't promise to provide parking, Erik Sandblomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14411108063216855210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-64336928093888795452011-05-09T12:16:15.399+02:002011-05-09T12:16:15.399+02:00Assen attracts a good deal of car traffic from the...Assen attracts a good deal of car traffic from the villages around it, either for shopping or commuting. As the town centre is small, parking facilities were provided in the last decades, 14 at the moment. Still, as the use of these isn't free, commuters in particular took to parking their cars in the residential areas surrounding the centre. Parking outside the centre is now widely limited Frits Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11399632570565541892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-82641159313775252162011-05-09T11:40:52.059+02:002011-05-09T11:40:52.059+02:00Might be interesting to note that Amsterdam is pla...Might be interesting to note that Amsterdam is planning to do some pilots on Neighborhood Auctions concerning parking space.Not taking 100.000 (!) parking spaces for granted but provide a neighborhood with parking rights that can be sold on an Auction.Also reallocating the space for bikes and/or playgrounds i in the project.Then, the real price that people are willing to pay comes affront!Marco te Brömmelstroethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15557053730815766560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-77748038651637113142011-05-09T10:29:52.333+02:002011-05-09T10:29:52.333+02:00It's a fair point about Leighton Buzzard.
It...It's a fair point about Leighton Buzzard. <br /><br />It is interesting that when compared with Tring station on the same line, it is doing rather poorly in cycling modal share. When you factor in passenger numbers Tring is about 5 times better. I think the reasons are twofold: firstly Tring station is at least 1 mile from the edge of town so walking is more difficult but secondly there is a OldGreyBeardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-21265022844298862792011-05-09T09:29:08.256+02:002011-05-09T09:29:08.256+02:00Jacob: You'll see in any of the transformation...Jacob: You'll see in any of the <a href="http://hembrow.blogspot.com/search/label/beforeandafter" rel="nofollow">transformations</a> of Dutch cities (large and small) that space has indeed been re-allocated from cars to bikes. At first, in some cases, this <a href="http://hembrow.blogspot.com/2009/02/how-groningen-grew-to-be-worlds-number.html" rel="nofollow">was controversial</a>. But these David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-75491081543146926632011-05-09T08:58:34.790+02:002011-05-09T08:58:34.790+02:00How do your comments on car parking prices fit in ...How do your comments on car parking prices fit in with previous posts about the need to disadvantage cars?<br /><br />Given the faith in the price mechanism in the UK surely the argument must be to increase the costs of motoring to cause different choices to be made.<br /><br />In Leighton Buzzard the train company is proposing to increase station car park prices from £6.50 per day to £6.90. The OldGreyBeardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-90375478205384996032011-05-09T08:24:45.712+02:002011-05-09T08:24:45.712+02:00Good post David, although (t)here in Australia the...Good post David, although (t)here in Australia the provision of carrots for cycling requires some compromises on the part of motorised traffic (ie. small sticks...). <br /><br />One of the most important areas I think that should be changed is the abundance of free on-street parking for cars at the expense of decent footpaths or cyclepaths - particularly on busy or popular routes. Any minor Paul Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16828401001732920598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-8106638068887591462011-05-09T05:01:48.781+02:002011-05-09T05:01:48.781+02:00I completely agree with carrots over sticks, but u...I completely agree with carrots over sticks, but under market rate parking (the norm here in the US) is a silly carrot to give drivers!Dweendaddynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-4320394011167364882011-05-09T04:10:20.972+02:002011-05-09T04:10:20.972+02:00What are your thoughts about crowded existing citi...What are your thoughts about crowded existing cities? In these places, creating legitimate cycling facilities requires the removal of automobile facilities, in the form of travel lanes or parking. It is easy to speak of creating great cycling options without using sticks in small Dutch cities, but how do you reallocate space in large US cities without angering motorists who are vigorous in Jacob Masonnoreply@blogger.com