tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post3759172007800367278..comments2024-03-27T12:53:39.298+01:00Comments on A view from the cycle path: Turbo Roundabouts. Be careful what you wish for.David Hembrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-82855532263814252152015-03-15T12:54:41.686+01:002015-03-15T12:54:41.686+01:00A new consultation is open
https://consultations.t...A new consultation is open<br />https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/roads/bow-vision/<br /><br />"new island would be shared by pedestrians and cyclists to enable cyclists to cross Stratford High Street to access the towpath"<br /><br />No mention of making the 'stop twice' facility into a real 'early start' !EricDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02627499456104670273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-14286712859145976622013-05-01T11:06:58.173+02:002013-05-01T11:06:58.173+02:00Hayate: It's never that simple. Relative to mo...Hayate: It's never that simple. Relative to <a href="http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/search/label/roundabouts" rel="nofollow">more normal Dutch roundabout design</a>, a Turbo Roundabout encourages higher speeds. This combines with requiring cyclists and pedestrians to cross two lanes of cars in one go to create a dangerous situation.<br /><br />The roundabout shown in the first video andDavid Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-76954327311690280962013-05-01T07:10:24.200+02:002013-05-01T07:10:24.200+02:00Surely all that needs to change to fix the Eindhov...Surely all that needs to change to fix the Eindhoven roundabout is to give cyclists priority, like in the first video?Keijihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073037482259360139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-474685532999226462013-04-23T16:11:50.658+02:002013-04-23T16:11:50.658+02:00Duncan: It's unfortunately the case that Briti...Duncan: It's unfortunately the case that British transport professionals don't understand what the Dutch have achieved or how they achieved it.<br /><br />I note that the Bedford example is actually not going to have any separate cycling infrastructure at all. This is totally contrary to Dutch practice (<a href="http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/search/label/roundabouts" rel="nofollow"David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-13481514102614284322013-04-23T15:05:31.838+02:002013-04-23T15:05:31.838+02:00And now UK funds earmarked to improve cyclists'...And now UK funds earmarked to improve cyclists' safety at junctions are being used to build a turbo roundabout in Bedford: https://www.transportxtra.com/magazines/local_transport_today/news/?id=34392Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13359303704828663733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-1438753616800740342012-01-30T12:38:02.097+01:002012-01-30T12:38:02.097+01:00Paul: I take your point about Bow. Signalization c...Paul: I take your point about Bow. Signalization changes how things work and can improve them a lot.<br /><br />However, I still don't think that Turbo Roundabouts actually do much <i>for</i> cyclists.<br /><br />Large road junctions in general are not really positive for cyclists and avoiding such junctions is the best solution.<br /><br />This is quite common in the Netherlands. At first David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-51543501375322671322012-01-30T10:32:52.591+01:002012-01-30T10:32:52.591+01:00Thanks for the post David, I've had similar ex...Thanks for the post David, I've had similar experiences with small turbo-roundabouts in South Holland when traffic flows are high and it takes a long time to cross by bike unless a driver gives way.<br /><br />My post about Bow however was specifically talking about signalised turbo's with bicycle signal phases combined into the motorised traffic signal phases.Paul Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01092359840040617326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-7420925859005481442012-01-30T01:49:24.934+01:002012-01-30T01:49:24.934+01:00In the first Video the last part of it was very da...In the first Video the last part of it was very dangerous with Traffic flying around that Roundabout. In the last Video of Eindhoven it looks Lethal,the Cyclists are dicing with death.<br /><br />Ordinary Roundabouts are terrible but that one was really bad. Our Roundabouts are very bad particulary the very big ones,but if they tried to put one of those Turbo ones in Dublin it would be lethal thel' homme au velohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17964877237998191937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-42512714285256876762012-01-29T08:49:34.602+01:002012-01-29T08:49:34.602+01:00I hope to attend one of you study tours in the fut...I hope to attend one of you study tours in the future, though might be a couple years if you'll still be offering them....Severinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-37251691437315309882012-01-26T06:21:07.723+01:002012-01-26T06:21:07.723+01:00Tallycyclist: The first place that we considered m...Tallycyclist: The first place that we considered moving to in the Netherlands was Eindhoven. Due to it being the home of Philips (the connection goes deep: the famous local football team PSV = Philips Sport Vereniging / Philips Sport Club), there are any number of electronics businesses there and that suited me as a software engineer.<br /><br />Anyway, this means we spent quite a lot of time in David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-5704268733789777192012-01-25T22:48:11.190+01:002012-01-25T22:48:11.190+01:00The video of the turbo roundabout in Eindhoven is ...The video of the turbo roundabout in Eindhoven is quite atrocious. The endless stream of motor traffic make crossing impossible essentially. The cyclist and some of the scooter-riders finally crossed out of frustration from waiting, and the car traffic had to slow almost to a stop. Such crossings would be considered bad even in many places in the states, let alone in a country like Holland. Tallycyclistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-87855337778052320352012-01-24T15:53:31.975+01:002012-01-24T15:53:31.975+01:00I have not experienced turbo roundabouts, but from...I have not experienced turbo roundabouts, but from what I have read, their principal rationale is driver safety combined with throughput. They are supposed to be a safer substitute for motorists than the type of multi-lane roundabout we have everywhere in the UK (shared of course, dangerously, with cyclists), without loss of capacity.<br /><br />That understood, they have nothing to do with David Ardittihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06255565837583244148noreply@blogger.com