tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post2043451382942789466..comments2024-03-27T12:53:39.298+01:00Comments on A view from the cycle path: On-road cycle-lanes. The Good, The Bad and the Ugly (mostly bad and ugly)David Hembrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-23547768784878888862015-09-08T17:20:32.504+02:002015-09-08T17:20:32.504+02:00Sir Velo: I've tried in the past to engage wit...Sir Velo: I've tried in the past to engage with Sustrans. I've also invited Sustrans to send people on a <a href="http://hembrow.eu/studytour" rel="nofollow">study tour</a> so that I could demonstrate best practice to them. Unfortunately, they've never shown any interest. Unfortunately, there is <a href="http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/search/label/sustrans" rel="nofollow">much David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-48839605672083333992015-09-08T15:00:06.750+02:002015-09-08T15:00:06.750+02:00David, have you actually entered into a dialogue w...David, have you actually entered into a dialogue with Sustrans to establish why they continue to promote designs which you have shown are far from ideal? It would be most instructive to read their rationale for supporting the schemes in their literature.Sir Velohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16473770681227236051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-2284795975117936092014-04-28T00:05:30.916+02:002014-04-28T00:05:30.916+02:00In recent years on-road cycle lanes are being pain...In recent years on-road cycle lanes are being painted to the left of right turning traffic in Berlin. We regard this as an improvement. Guess only 30 years behind... :-( seiklmeiklhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17153138853126372218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-29024507789521078612014-04-26T09:36:02.507+02:002014-04-26T09:36:02.507+02:00Glen.
I can understand the logic behind thinking t...Glen.<br />I can understand the logic behind thinking that not asking for too much is politically easier but it really isn't easier. The experience in Vancouver has been that there is as much opposition to implementing low quality cycle infrastructure as there is to implementing high quality infrastructure.<br />The opposition eventually dies down and then you have something good to use (and Clark Nikolaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07085789173869283863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-43217070779445584522014-04-25T16:44:19.425+02:002014-04-25T16:44:19.425+02:00Martin, the key point is that cycling infrastructu...Martin, the key point is that cycling infrastructure needs to be of sufficient quality (eg width) so that cyclists can pass one another with no problems. There is no such thing as infrastructure for "slow" cyclists and infrastructure for "fast" cyclists, there is only inconvenient/poorly designed infrastructure and high quality infrastructure.<br /><br />As for money, we both Architectonichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00768214042986413291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-25383757558021858032014-04-25T12:43:55.046+02:002014-04-25T12:43:55.046+02:00Glen: I find it bizarre that you read what I'v...Glen: I find it bizarre that you read what I've written above and assume that there even is such a thing as a well designed cycle-lane. Actually, I state that no on-road cycle-lanes are truly good. The best example that I show, and it really is a good example, is described as "not ideal".<br /><br />There is a reason why the Dutch language article that I link to above states that David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-9763511569975734372014-04-25T02:22:56.113+02:002014-04-25T02:22:56.113+02:00So what I'm actually reading here is that POOR...So what I'm actually reading here is that POORLY DESIGNED cycle lanes are bad; that's not surprising, poorly designed cycle paths (e.g. crossing driveways/side-roads with limited sight distance) aren't great for safety either. We should be campaigning for well-designed cycle facilities, whatever stripe they are.<br /><br />Now I'm the first to accept that on-road painted cycle Glenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05378774855988056741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-12763763946896596932014-04-25T00:40:16.454+02:002014-04-25T00:40:16.454+02:00Thanks Di E and Lennie,
The point about being ove...Thanks Di E and Lennie,<br /><br />The point about being overly celebratory about "award winning" infrastructure is well made. It can only result in stagnation. 1.3 m wide effective width lanes are very far from being wide enough and should not be what other places aim for.<br /><br />This is why it was <a href="http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/2011/12/groningen-not-fietsstad-2011.David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-1801766134371236272014-04-24T21:39:13.618+02:002014-04-24T21:39:13.618+02:00V interesting post revealing the lack of ambition ...V interesting post revealing the lack of ambition among cycling groups in Uk, where we are supposed to be happy with the scraps from the table, even when starting with a blank sheet. Take our v own award winning 'gone dutch' cycle lane in Camden, which has an effective width of 1.3m (with the silly planters) and 1.6m (with the silly and ineffective armadillos). When challenged on the Lennie Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08418691639552583035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-14911386252777638012014-04-24T14:51:52.665+02:002014-04-24T14:51:52.665+02:00Thanks for continuing to highlight good and bad pr...Thanks for continuing to highlight good and bad practices, David. Here in Tasmania we will continue to battle for separated paths, but the pro-car lobby is very powerful and all that our governments can see is the costs.Di Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17809329200462835263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-58877392987263228742014-04-24T08:33:08.864+02:002014-04-24T08:33:08.864+02:00Martin, it's very unfortunate that CBR can'...Martin, it's very unfortunate that CBR can't see further than either shared paths (<a href="http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/search/label/shared%20use%20paths" rel="nofollow">which don't work</a>) or on-road lanes (which also don't work).<br /><br />As for costs, it's only substandard infrastructure which really has a cost. If it's substandard then it won't be usedDavid Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-42641582477374333382014-04-24T03:21:50.805+02:002014-04-24T03:21:50.805+02:00We had a report done in CBR suggesting that Cycle ...We had a report done in CBR suggesting that Cycle lanes were safer than riding on shared paths. An analysis of Hospital admissions data suggested that there were less reported accidents on cycle lanes than on shared/cycle paths, then they must be safer! The report didn't state the fact that there are more cyclists using shared paths than on cycle lanes. http://www.roadsafetytrust.org.au/c/rttMartinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02288258477481107716noreply@blogger.com