tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post1138848061045673108..comments2024-03-27T12:53:39.298+01:00Comments on A view from the cycle path: Old British Street Signs included the possibility of a "Play Street", a woonerf like conceptDavid Hembrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-21273261380133352472012-05-22T18:55:33.541+02:002012-05-22T18:55:33.541+02:00hi there is a play street in Westbourne Grove Lon...hi there is a play street in Westbourne Grove London it is on Lonsdale Road, W11 2DE. you can find the Photo of it on Google maps.random alnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-80677357194993019472012-03-15T22:22:09.310+01:002012-03-15T22:22:09.310+01:00Lovelo: Thanks for the photos.Lovelo: Thanks for the photos.David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-82695801132894777192012-03-15T22:14:43.726+01:002012-03-15T22:14:43.726+01:00David, cycling to work this morning I noticed a Pl...David, cycling to work this morning I noticed a Play Street and thought of you, Kirk Road, Litherland, Liverpool http://flic.kr/p/bqo9FG<br /><br />Also, a home zone, Dundonald St, Birkenhead http://flic.kr/p/bqoefoLovelo Bicycleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06713565061561954396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-9424545900222449862011-02-24T18:59:57.708+01:002011-02-24T18:59:57.708+01:00Kevin: Thanks, but there's no need to apologis...Kevin: Thanks, but there's no need to apologise. It's very difficult to tell what has gone on sometimes. I should have thought clearer myself and referred back to Karl's response, the first on the post, which points to a photo of a play street which still exists.David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-91459736079898465212011-02-24T16:54:47.897+01:002011-02-24T16:54:47.897+01:00My many apologies; I was thrown by the quote marks...My many apologies; I was thrown by the quote marks present in the TSRGD. The image on page 3 of the PDF citation is certainly something I'd like to see returning to British streets: "[no motor vehicles] unless calling at the premises in the street" rather than the current ambiguous "except for access".Kevin Steinhardthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00154521138803831953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-64187924708642375802011-02-21T18:15:59.778+01:002011-02-21T18:15:59.778+01:00TH: Thank you very much for your comment. I'm ...TH: Thank you very much for your comment. I'm very happy to hear that Play Streets were for real. Shame there are so few of them now.<br /><br />The photos are excellent to see. I've added one photo and a link to the blog post to avoid further confusion.David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-81609429582202665442011-02-21T18:01:02.085+01:002011-02-21T18:01:02.085+01:00I'm afraid Kevin's comment is wrong and Ka...I'm afraid Kevin's comment is wrong and Karl and coco are right.<br /><br />Play Streets are an authorised sign, but are very little used.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.londonplay.org.uk/file/1333.pdf" rel="nofollow">Play streets timeline in London.</a>THnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-62267635243985610982010-12-18T21:17:04.436+01:002010-12-18T21:17:04.436+01:00There are Home Zones back here in the UK, but they...There are Home Zones back here in the UK, but they're pretty much <em>just</em> a designation of shared space and "dead slow" speeds. Sustrans are pushing for more of their Liveable Neighbourhoods but because it's a Sustrans project, ... *coughs* they're almost as useless as the London Cycling Campaign. Then again, the National Cycle Network's getting quite big nowadays.Kevin Steinhardthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00154521138803831953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-77374433870279639422010-12-18T20:50:58.075+01:002010-12-18T20:50:58.075+01:00Kevin, thanks for letting me know. I certainly got...Kevin, thanks for letting me know. I certainly got that wrong. It's a shame they hadn't invented the concept earlier...David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-44458466309078136072010-12-18T20:19:52.573+01:002010-12-18T20:19:52.573+01:00Yeah: Play Street is a placeholder for a street...Yeah: Play Street is a placeholder for a street's name in the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions SI 2002. The quotes in the caption of diagram 618 (see http://bit.ly/fWZPVP) give the game away.Kevin Steinhardthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00154521138803831953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-51645208568712669472010-12-04T21:30:52.231+01:002010-12-04T21:30:52.231+01:00I always thought Play Street (as it appears in the...I always thought Play Street (as it appears in the TSRGD, et al.) was like Anytown: a placeholder for a street's name.Kevin Steinhardthttp://6xfour.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-19182027660812824012008-11-04T10:34:00.000+01:002008-11-04T10:34:00.000+01:00We have a lot of play streets here in Germany too-...We have a lot of play streets here in Germany too- By coincidence I was going to write a post about them soonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-19566442160294766002008-11-04T08:48:00.000+01:002008-11-04T08:48:00.000+01:00I've seen a play street in Salford: http://ma...I've seen a play street in Salford: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=53.498194,-2.277839&spn=0.006484,0.019226&z=16cocosolishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17040377173478647027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-74008565507870919902008-11-03T13:34:00.000+01:002008-11-03T13:34:00.000+01:00Here in Toronto, we call them "playground zones." ...Here in Toronto, we call them "playground zones." <BR/><BR/>Playground zones, school zones and many residential areas are limited to 30 km/hr.Kevin Lovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13186428862833389619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-45893334860585814282008-11-03T12:09:00.000+01:002008-11-03T12:09:00.000+01:00Nick, there is another post with a picture from th...Nick, there is another post with a <A HREF="http://hembrow.blogspot.com/2008/09/designing-for-future.html" REL="nofollow">picture from the "Book of knowledge"</A>.<BR/><BR/>My parents bought a few different sets of encyclopaedias, and I spent hours reading stuff in them. They had different views on the world. This set was very British, while another set was very American and a third set that we David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-71753792892043067782008-11-03T12:03:00.000+01:002008-11-03T12:03:00.000+01:00I'm glad you liked it Adrian. I also covered loss ...I'm glad you liked it Adrian. I also covered <A HREF="http://hembrow.blogspot.com/2008/09/loss-of-culture.html" REL="nofollow">loss of cycling culture</A> previously. I know you saw it before, but others perhaps didn't.David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-72114245797128014112008-11-03T11:57:00.000+01:002008-11-03T11:57:00.000+01:00I just like to point out that a car is only allowe...I just like to point out that a car is only allowed to drive "stapvoets" (at the pace of feet, so basically 5 km/h) in play streets. But what I remember most about my car training was that my instructor kept pointing to pedestrians and saying "What is he/she going to do? Cross? Run over? Follow someone else? Anticipate!"Annekehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13303232666607267415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-31621339792784672582008-11-03T11:56:00.000+01:002008-11-03T11:56:00.000+01:00The Book of Knowledge! It's a long time since I he...The Book of Knowledge! It's a long time since I heard of that! I had all 8 volumes as a kid, but that means, I think, that it might have been the edition before yours. I learned more out of that set of books than from anything (or anyone) else before or since.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16112462990202280587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-689423125320279472008-11-03T11:47:00.000+01:002008-11-03T11:47:00.000+01:00Thanks for the post. These signs are very importan...Thanks for the post. These signs are very important to me as they show how our culture has forgoton that it didn't always give the road to the motorcar. Would love to know if they ever existed in Australia.Adrianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13521787677492163663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-27050169321940719212008-11-03T09:11:00.000+01:002008-11-03T09:11:00.000+01:00Karl, I've seen 20 mph signs before (though not ne...Karl, I've seen 20 mph signs before (though not nearly enough of them) but thanks very much for sending the link to the play street sign. That's the first evidence I've ever seen that these are actually more common than rocking horse droppings in the UK.<BR/><BR/>More importantly it's proof that it's still possible to have such a sign. It's a terrible shame that they're not widespread. They David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-13039464392905921622008-11-03T08:49:00.000+01:002008-11-03T08:49:00.000+01:00Now there's a coincidence. I was out the other wee...Now there's a coincidence. I was out the other weekend photographing street signs (just don't even ask). The streets behind my house are a <A HREF="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3148/2998913582_9dd7c3bac8.jpg" REL="nofollow">20mph zone</A>, and just a couple of hundred yards away, there are <A HREF="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3214/2998912890_92c066c8e6.jpg" REL="nofollow">play streets</A>.<Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com