tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post7999888726767949875..comments2024-03-27T12:53:39.298+01:00Comments on A view from the cycle path: Junction design for safer cyclingDavid Hembrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-58053305151166953002010-09-20T17:54:21.781+02:002010-09-20T17:54:21.781+02:00Moving trees is often quite literal though, they c...Moving trees is often quite literal though, they changed the road profile of the area access road here from cycle paths on both sides to a single wider path on one side and they brought in a huge tree scoop to move the trees.<br /><br />The scoop grapples the tree, then pushes down spades hydraulically to move the tree, with soil and all, works quite well for such short distance moves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-38813417965970148732010-09-15T14:42:24.417+02:002010-09-15T14:42:24.417+02:00@GIF: "Moved" may not be the obvious wor...@GIF: "Moved" may not be the obvious word for uprooting the present trees and planting new ones a few meters away. But as the old one are somewhat rickety and the new ones will be healthy young saplings, I think the move will be for the better.<br /><br />As for the necessity of cars, they do have their practical sides. And as it looks like they will persist until there is no more oil Frits Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11399632570565541892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-77864485786435185422010-09-14T21:41:57.215+02:002010-09-14T21:41:57.215+02:00Frits B: How do trees get "moved"? Anywa...Frits B: How do trees get "moved"? Anyway, thanks for all the details. It is clear that we have different opinions on the necessity of cars.Slow Factoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12056080802746709323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-27556301763687417782010-09-14T20:59:25.945+02:002010-09-14T20:59:25.945+02:00@GIF
In addition to Anonymous' information: Ho...@GIF<br />In addition to Anonymous' information: Holland has 2 kinds of separate cycle paths and also 2 kinds of cycle lanes. Cycle paths are either mandatory (marked by a round blue sign with in white the outlines of a bicycle) or non-mandatory (marked by a rectangular sign, usually dark blue, with text "Fietspad" or "Rijwielpad"). There is a tendency to make all new Frits Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11399632570565541892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-88896377784472589762010-09-14T14:34:05.402+02:002010-09-14T14:34:05.402+02:00Anonymous: Thanks for clarifications! In regards t...Anonymous: Thanks for clarifications! In regards to the "voluntary vehicularism" I mention, it is indeed an issue of speed-separation as well as weight/mass/force separation.<br /><br />So I am curious about the non-mandatory cycle paths you mention. Seems like one or the other needs to be the default (so there is only one set of signs and simpler education), or perhaps it can be Slow Factoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12056080802746709323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-30882811542487933492010-09-14T13:32:30.234+02:002010-09-14T13:32:30.234+02:001 - In general, what happens in design conflicts b...<i>1 - In general, what happens in design conflicts between cycling and pedestrian infrastructure?</i><br /><br />Pedestrian infrastructure always comes first. A road without decent pavements is unthinkable. If necessary, cyclists will have to share roadspace with motor traffic, or the road will be made one-way.<br /><br /><i>A question - on roads without cycle paths, do cyclists typically launchAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-44128583119865489152010-09-14T10:53:31.244+02:002010-09-14T10:53:31.244+02:00Two questions:
1 - In general, what happens in d...Two questions: <br /><br />1 - In general, what happens in design conflicts between cycling and pedestrian infrastructure? For example, if a busy crossroads - where both streets have speed limits above 30km/h - needs stuff as shown in this video, but due to existing location of buildings the pedestrian space cannot be narrowed (what is the NL standard for that?) Does the "car part" of Slow Factoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12056080802746709323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-62474997347800427202010-09-14T01:38:58.651+02:002010-09-14T01:38:58.651+02:00"Yes it is the exceptions that confirm the ru..."Yes it is the exceptions that confirm the rule, as the Dutch say..."<br /><br />Of course it's the exception I notice right away only because the consistent quality of Dutch infrastructure (as I have seen through blogs like this one) makes me weep with envy.<br /><br />Problems like the one I highlight in <a href="http://ourstreets.info/2010/09/01/Nickhttp://ourstreets.infonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-60758587591595579692010-09-13T18:41:11.407+02:002010-09-13T18:41:11.407+02:00Dutch towns do, however, have junctions with a mix...Dutch towns do, however, have junctions with a <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Wassenaar,+The+Netherlands&sll=37.09024,-112.5&sspn=53.87374,112.5&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Wassenaar,+South+Holland,+The+Netherlands&ll=52.142965,4.401294&spn=0.000644,0.001206&t=h&z=20" rel="nofollow">mixture of separate tracks and christhebullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18058394246399615754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-17369707402350528992010-09-13T17:31:45.638+02:002010-09-13T17:31:45.638+02:00Yes it is the exceptions that confirm the rule, as...Yes it is the exceptions that confirm the rule, as the Dutch say...<br /><br />In that one example indeed the cyclists gets green only a fraction of a second earlier than the car. But what happens next is very telling so I kept it in. <br /><br />The cyclist doesn't notice it is green right away so starts riding very late. Yet he is still passed the junction much earlier than the turning car Mark W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07882028603632115187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-16041691691155468942010-09-13T09:02:43.582+02:002010-09-13T09:02:43.582+02:00Jon, if that junction properly separated cyclists ...Jon, if that junction properly separated cyclists and drivers it wouldn't need flashing lights in the ground to warn drivers. That was in fact the basis of my complaint about it. It's dressed up as an advance and something for the rest of the world to copy when actually it's <a href="http://hembrow.blogspot.com/2010/07/not-really-so-great-cycle-path-design.html" rel="nofollow">an David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-1257455430136236992010-09-13T08:52:32.783+02:002010-09-13T08:52:32.783+02:00@David:
It is only some Danish lights that do not ...@David:<br />It is only some Danish lights that do not separate cyclists from drivers. You even featured one of those that do separate cyclists and drivers. The one with those blinking lights in the ground you wondered about.Jon Bendtsennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-74803931261000023462010-09-13T07:47:07.094+02:002010-09-13T07:47:07.094+02:00Nick, I was surprised to see that too. We don'...Nick, I was surprised to see that too. We don't have any junctions like it around here. My guess is that it's an older junction yet to be upgraded to modern standards.<br /><br />However, it's not really a bad junction. There is considerable separation between the cyclists and motorists at this point, cyclists do not start with drives, but are well ahead and closer to the junction David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-63370704688998384202010-09-13T03:45:03.639+02:002010-09-13T03:45:03.639+02:00This is a great video, for sure, that demonstrates...This is a great video, for sure, that demonstrates many of the benefits of this design. I noticed, however, one discrepancy between Mark's narrative and the video example:<br /><br />At 2'41'', Mark says that the cycle path has its own traffic light that "has a different green cycle from right-turning cars," but the clip with the gentleman at 3'08'' shows Nickhttp://ourstreets.infonoreply@blogger.com