tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post748772887036560625..comments2024-02-24T06:21:30.987+01:00Comments on A view from the cycle path: Who do we campaign for ?David Hembrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-4538041405610973392018-09-07T08:37:51.681+02:002018-09-07T08:37:51.681+02:00Meanwhile a lot has changed in The Netherlands reg...Meanwhile a lot has changed in The Netherlands regarding cycling. Today in the Dutch newspapers: https://tinyurl.com/y9a2hc5k<br />Summary: in the last 3 years over 10,000 traffic accidents at schoolruns, mainly caused by parents with their cars. The Dutch government worries, and even has to promote the bicycle.<br /><br />Unfortunately, in my own Dutch region I noticed this too: awesome, but T-aerialhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05994353368148367312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-81546428091101282702016-02-23T14:02:54.091+01:002016-02-23T14:02:54.091+01:00I'm going to sound narcissistic here, but anot...I'm going to sound narcissistic here, but another way to help people to advocate Dutch style road infrastructure is to make it look like driving journeys are a lot safer, which they are than elsewhere. Even if you drive, you have a low chance of getting into a crash. Lots of roundabouts help in this regard, also the large number of motorways permitting only very few conflicts. If drivers Multiparty Democracy Todayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13359081992141220593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-43971776502489742362012-03-24T00:26:12.681+01:002012-03-24T00:26:12.681+01:00fantastic! have re-posted numerous times.
From Po...fantastic! have re-posted numerous times.<br /><br />From Portland, Oregon. Separate and unequal doesn't work. Current fad of "bike boulevards" ends up with substandard facilities--fragmented with unprotected intersections, forcing out of direction travel, and end up too often used by cars to rat run around congestion. Not for kids despite the hype. But, not as much political Rex Burkholderhttp://oregonmetro.govnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-89512112328475858472012-03-16T16:48:59.047+01:002012-03-16T16:48:59.047+01:00@OldGreyBeard - I agree with you that a dual netwo...@OldGreyBeard - I agree with you that a dual network as found in the UK is likely to be a waste of money. Any "dual network" should be on the basis of distance or destination importance, not skill level. (ie there would be major cycle routes linking small towns or major districts of larger towns over longer distances, and minor routes within them)christhebullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18058394246399615754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-60093408754008641862012-03-16T11:35:18.234+01:002012-03-16T11:35:18.234+01:00Cycle pants were invented by Nazis? Okay, that'...Cycle pants were invented by Nazis? Okay, that's when you know they're losing an argument if they have to pull Nazis out of the deck.<br /><br />Recently somewhere I read someone sarcastically wrote: "Everytime you cycle, Jesus kills a kitten." It should be a T-shirt.Franzeennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-3608018494181911542012-03-16T07:47:04.932+01:002012-03-16T07:47:04.932+01:00OldGreyBeard: That's one of my favourites too....OldGreyBeard: That's one of my favourites too. It's truly amazing that people come up with such <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law" rel="nofollow">Godwin</a> inducing statements, but they do. Like <a href="http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/2011/02/all-those-myths-and-excuses-in-one-post.html" rel="nofollow">the other myths</a>, this one is also untrue. Hitler wasn&#David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-65489053576543480242012-03-15T23:31:44.469+01:002012-03-15T23:31:44.469+01:00MiddleAgeCyclist:
They didn't mention Nazis di...MiddleAgeCyclist:<br />They didn't mention Nazis did they? All these arguments seem to end in the bogus claim that the Nazis introduced cycle paths to make more room for PanzersOldGreyBeardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-17460846447784631392012-03-15T06:20:33.233+01:002012-03-15T06:20:33.233+01:00David,
Just realised your blog is again operationa...David,<br />Just realised your blog is again operational, for which I'm eternally grateful, it being the best bike blog by far.<br />Thanks!<br />The donate button is a good idea - far too many think the only model is buy/sell.<br />All the best for the future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-63436196441845601902012-03-14T18:45:02.780+01:002012-03-14T18:45:02.780+01:001% maybe but with a voice on cycling forums etc th...1% maybe but with a voice on cycling forums etc they can shout quite loudly!MiddleAgeCyclisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03873996681529127207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-70876707515738304682012-03-14T17:39:09.408+01:002012-03-14T17:39:09.408+01:00MiddleAgedCyclist: I've been there before. Arg...MiddleAgedCyclist: I've been there before. Arguing with zealots is rarely productive.<br /><br />Luckily, they are 1% of the population.David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-74443138534737677142012-03-14T13:51:37.728+01:002012-03-14T13:51:37.728+01:00I have recently got into a bit of a heated debate....I have recently got into a bit of a <a href="www.cyclechat.net/threads/vehicular-cycling-reality.97583" rel="nofollow">heated debate</a>. I have dared to suggest some good quality (i.e. not UK), segregated, cycle paths in certain areas in the UK would go a long way towards encouraging some potential cyclists.<br /><br />You should read the reasons/excuses why this should be resisted. The trouble MiddleAgeCyclisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18080270738733180527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-3073826529478286802012-03-13T15:29:21.153+01:002012-03-13T15:29:21.153+01:00The other problem is that building two networks, n...The other problem is that building two networks, neither of which is very good, splits the funding. My solution in the UK would be to get Dutch traffic engineers in as consultants.<br /><br />Some of the designs proposed for where I live continue with all the same old stuff such as giving way at junctions but who is there with the authority and experience to tell our traffic engineers that there OldGreyBeardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-84804619296588653022012-03-12T15:37:11.801+01:002012-03-12T15:37:11.801+01:00The evolution of public discourse, media manipulat...The evolution of public discourse, media manipulation, and government action is interesting. It's changed a lot the past few years and overall for the better.<br />Here in Vancouver, Canada things are getting better all the time. We're now (hopefully) past the backlash stage and are moving to where the average person understands the need for cycling infrastructure. They're now aware Clark in Vancouvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-26297733455164590652012-03-12T15:00:33.474+01:002012-03-12T15:00:33.474+01:00Anonymous: I think the bikes play a role too. It&#...Anonymous: I think the bikes play a role too. It's why I <a href="http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/2009/01/anatomy-of-reliable-everyday-bicycle.html" rel="nofollow">wrote a blog post describing the features of such bikes</a> and why we <a href="http://www.dutchbikebits.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=48" rel="nofollow">sell components to make bikes more practical</a>. David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-82519018112474590602012-03-11T22:34:52.510+01:002012-03-11T22:34:52.510+01:00The sign is actually relatively hard to translate,...The sign is actually relatively hard to translate, but it's an imperative rather than a first person singular. It tells the reader that they should prefer cycling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-69619563349075410202012-03-11T22:11:05.804+01:002012-03-11T22:11:05.804+01:00In all your great articles you have shown me that ...In all your great articles you have shown me that a superb bike infrastructure is not only possible, but affordable.<br /><br />But there is one thing where I constantly disagree: Separated cycle paths are only good if they are done like in the Netherlands; in other countries, they are too narrow, too short, too unclear ... and every time they build a cycle path, the situation becomes worse for Christoph Moderhttp://christoph-moder.de/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-83280220383449967772012-03-11T10:19:12.828+01:002012-03-11T10:19:12.828+01:00David, I can't help but wonder if you are wron...David, I can't help but wonder if you are wrong. Mainly on the point, 'we do not need to reinvent the wheel'. <br /><br />I frequently ponder how much different cycling in the west would look if it was not dominated by racing bicycles, mountian bicycles, or BMX bikes. Proper Bikes (sit up style, dutch bikes) offer such a different perspective on how bicycles can be used. I'm Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-65099647776467809752012-03-11T08:01:57.621+01:002012-03-11T08:01:57.621+01:00Right on target, David: in UK conditions a dual cy...Right on target, David: in UK conditions a dual cycling network would inevitably end up as two thoroughly sub-standard antisystems, whereas forcing the planners to concentrate their minds on a single segregated network might, just <i>might</i>, produce something worth having.<br /><br />On the hopeful side, after four years of assiduously following the cycling news I do detect a distinct shift inVocus Dwabehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17739515747027524872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-91628884079905577772012-03-10T21:44:40.590+01:002012-03-10T21:44:40.590+01:00I agree David, cycle campaigners and urban planner...I agree David, cycle campaigners and urban planners need to be BOLD in implementing new infrastructure. Why not stick your neck out and make a pilot project somewhere? As you and Mark Wagenbuur pointed out, good infrastructure pays for itself and is cheaper to build than not to build. Who rises to the occasion?Koennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-80466310304185686472012-03-10T19:43:43.764+01:002012-03-10T19:43:43.764+01:00We've been dividing cyclists into categories f...We've been dividing cyclists into categories for decades here in the US. I've been looking at the AASHTO bike design manual from 1999 and cyclists are divided there. I looked at an other documents suggesting facilities based on street conditions (NEVER ONCE was anything recommended beyond a wide curb lane to be shared with motorists) and cyclists again were divided. <br /><br />BicyclistsSeverinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-5360924779414547842012-03-10T18:57:59.115+01:002012-03-10T18:57:59.115+01:00Hmm... In some places in Bristol you can see the &...Hmm... In some places in Bristol you can see the "dual network" in action on individual streets, where a road will have cycle lanes and ASLs *and* also shared use pavements and toucan crossings at junctions.<br /><br />This is stupid because both types of facility have inherent flaws - the ASL will have a left hand filter lane in the blind spot of HGVs, and the toucan crossing will be christhebullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18058394246399615754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-41636137505009403442012-03-10T18:18:18.083+01:002012-03-10T18:18:18.083+01:00This note is a master-piece for all the bicycles c...This note is a master-piece for all the bicycles campaigners from anywhere David!<br />And the post from last week about asking for enough is in the same category!<br />Your point is just 100% true and right.<br />Thanks!<br />Looking forward to the tour next week.Michel from Norwayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02181714706951521930noreply@blogger.com