tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post7145971465440817876..comments2024-02-24T06:21:30.987+01:00Comments on A view from the cycle path: Bus stops which don't cause problems for cyclists (bus stop bypass, floating bus stop)David Hembrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-46294797002066942542015-08-18T09:07:34.488+02:002015-08-18T09:07:34.488+02:00Stroud has just put in a bike lane running "u...Stroud has just put in a bike lane running "under" two bus stops, which is where a cyclist is sure to end up in the future. The new facility also has the ignominious distinction of being the world's shortest bike lane, and probably a strong contender for the narrowest as well.<br /><br />http://road.cc/content/news/161081-uks-shortest-cycle-lane Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12547989790769004253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-65710423803768924642011-10-22T18:26:32.671+02:002011-10-22T18:26:32.671+02:00I just stumbled across this old post from Portland...I just stumbled across this old post from Portland, Oregon which is a perfect example of how stop design is done wrong elsewhere in the world. An interesting point is that the comments are actually blaming the infrastructure rather than the road users (unusual for North America), though few people seem to have much idea how (easily) it could be fixed.<br /><br />http://bikeportland.org/2009/08/Reaperexpressnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-87613235268789095832011-10-22T18:22:34.642+02:002011-10-22T18:22:34.642+02:00When I was living in a certain neighborhood a year...When I was living in a certain neighborhood a year ago, I wanted to create an "island bus stop" to prevent two things:<br />1. Cyclists from interacting with buses.<br />2. Drivers from illegally driving in the bike lane. <br /><br />This is the design I came up with. <br />http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesbondsv/6245994983/<br /><br />However, after further consideration, I've Steven Vancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17187232603226921265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-56688324566580421492011-10-12T14:08:12.935+02:002011-10-12T14:08:12.935+02:00The first part of the video shows a bus-stop from ...The first part of the video shows a bus-stop from a few years ago. It doesn't exist any more, so I couldn't make a new one. This was before the bus-stops were modified to make it easier to get on and off.<br /><br />In the last two years there has been a lot of upgrading of bus-stops going on. By now, I think almost all are easily accessible. This also means that the cycle-path raises David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-67503290994262063192011-10-12T13:56:16.813+02:002011-10-12T13:56:16.813+02:00On disability, yes, Dutch buses carry people in wh...On disability, yes, Dutch buses carry people in wheelchairs. In the photo of the more modern bus stop, the curb is elevated higher than usual so that, in combination with the low-floor buses that have been standard there for a long time, a wheelchair can quickly enter and leave the bus without requiring use of a motorized lift. Also, remember that "disability" includes more than Peter Furthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-7814468785897192282011-10-11T16:22:33.555+02:002011-10-11T16:22:33.555+02:00Zmapper: The numbers you gave for the subsidies o...Zmapper: The numbers you gave for the subsidies on these dial-a-ride type programs can indeed be surprising. Anyone who does not have a disability can of course argue whether it's right that part of their tax money is going to a relatively small group of people. But I feel that it shouldn't always be about fairness (however that may be defined) or getting 100% back for what you put in Tallycyclistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-14451960637982893202011-10-10T01:27:58.055+02:002011-10-10T01:27:58.055+02:00Frits, we nearly all agencies in the US operate so...Frits, we nearly all agencies in the US operate something like that. Normally it is called Access-a-Ride or Dial-a-ride or something along those lines. The ADA that I mentioned requires agencies to operate "complementary" paratransit to any place within 3/4 mile of the bus route. ADA regulations also require all buses built after 1990 to be handicapped accessible. <br /><br />Having Zmapperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13713360303608290737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-48273065181877372092011-10-09T19:30:25.038+02:002011-10-09T19:30:25.038+02:00I doubt that any local bus in the Netherlands is e...I doubt that any local bus in the Netherlands is equipped with access for a wheelchair. Not because there are no disabled people in wheelchairs, but because we have separate local networks of small buses that do have such access and which can be called to pick you up at home and drop you off you at your destination. Trams and trains are a different matter; they are all accessible to wheelchairs.Frits Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11399632570565541892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-61113377494279964832011-10-07T07:55:12.808+02:002011-10-07T07:55:12.808+02:00Zmapper: Disability access is something I'd no...Zmapper: Disability access is something I'd not thought to include in this post. Actually, between here and Groningen many short sections of cycle-path are raised behind the bus-stops to the same level as the sidewalk and bus-stop for precisely this reason. It doesn't cause a problem with people standing on the cycle-path because the cycle-path is obvious, and it is well used so it's David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-26704102918209722542011-10-07T02:45:40.525+02:002011-10-07T02:45:40.525+02:00Moving the bus stop to the left (on Continental or...Moving the bus stop to the left (on Continental or American streets) also improves the experience for bus riders. The bus can now stop right in the middle of the motor vehicle lane, without having to pull out of traffic to the right. This saves time, and is much less jerky.<br /><br />Cars may have to wait a few seconds for the bus to stop, but this solution is much safer for everyone, and betterJosephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10347867836045599809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-26375078448881451132011-10-07T01:05:00.266+02:002011-10-07T01:05:00.266+02:00One caveat that I should mention especially for th...One caveat that I should mention especially for those in the US. The ADA, or Americans with Disabilities Act, requires a level 5' by 8' clear landing pad next to the buses front door. Some cycle track designs in the Netherlands appear to have a bus stop island narrower than 8 feet wide. Now they might be able to get away with a narrower island if the bike lane is at the same level as the Zmapperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13713360303608290737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-52698051105910627202011-10-06T18:21:55.305+02:002011-10-06T18:21:55.305+02:00This is an excellent point, and I have been saying...This is an excellent point, and I have been saying this for a while. One notable thing about this issue is that pretty much everyone agrees: probably even the most hardcore on-road cyclists. I ride mostly on-road (pretty much the only way to legally ride in Toronto), and encountering a bus is definitely the worst single thing that is likely to happen on a ride. Once you catch up to a bus, you&Reaperexpressnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-88902556653388744782011-10-06T00:29:39.700+02:002011-10-06T00:29:39.700+02:00You should see how we do it in Australia. Look and...You should see <a href="http://api.ning.com/files/tqETjhRs-4KUcZ8NG*UUWl4SBfuuYicKggSnFfS6ONEzg71otAX4NpvVyVjYlxu0cOX355I5Y6d-FKdWVkVHs2Y7PMxqtPSL/photo.JPG" rel="nofollow">how we do it in Australia.</a> Look and learn folks! ;)<br /><br />This is a new bus stop and the new 'shared' path behind it will continue in the foreground. The advertising board is a nice touch to help hide both Paul Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16828401001732920598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-67329491702903747702011-10-05T20:52:43.782+02:002011-10-05T20:52:43.782+02:00I have this experience with city buses during my b...I have this experience with city buses during my bike-commute to work sometimes; sigh. Thanks for showing how it can be resolved. Ah, well, hey, you don't have the Rocky Mountains<br />and Lake Superior is larger than Holland...Micheal Bluehttp://www.joyofbicyclecommuting.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-25009261341459012512011-10-05T19:16:47.541+02:002011-10-05T19:16:47.541+02:00I totally agree with this. Roads and streets shoul...I totally agree with this. Roads and streets should never be designed for buses and bikes to use the same lane. They are modes that are too different and the conflict created between them is scary and dangerous.<br />Mixing the two is not uncommon in North America though. There are diamond shaped markings on some roads indicating any non-private motor vehicles to go there. This lumps together Clark in Vancouvernoreply@blogger.com