tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post7053388664393316401..comments2024-02-24T06:21:30.987+01:00Comments on A view from the cycle path: Stop the Child MurderDavid Hembrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-22507425891796274502016-02-04T19:11:03.381+01:002016-02-04T19:11:03.381+01:00I would probably consider those who have been pres...I would probably consider those who have been presented with explanations for why these excuses and explanations of road design, even one lucky mayor who got offered a free study tour (Boris Yeltsin or Boris Johnson, I know who I'd take, and I know the former was a president not mayor) and with the power and money to take care of these cyclists, pedestrians and other traffic managers just as Multiparty Democracy Todayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13359081992141220593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-88207919689844571472012-04-27T13:19:58.682+02:002012-04-27T13:19:58.682+02:00I wholehartedly agree, having lived in the Netherl...I wholehartedly agree, having lived in the Netherlands and blogged many times about this:<br /><a href="http://richmondtransits.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/cycle-superhighways-expensive-joke.html" rel="nofollow">http://richmondtransits.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/cycle-superhighways-expensive-joke.html</a><br /><br />TfL has no idea about cyle lanes (check <a href="this%20book" rel="nofollow">http://idiomatichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05027989944440647349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-56111372015240493512012-04-26T18:13:12.278+02:002012-04-26T18:13:12.278+02:00Maryann: That means all road deaths, of people in ...Maryann: That means all road deaths, of people in cars both as drivers and passengers, and also those outside walking or cycling.David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-4577150519204150852012-04-26T18:10:59.869+02:002012-04-26T18:10:59.869+02:00When you say "road deaths", do you just ...When you say "road deaths", do you just mean pedestrians and cyclists, or does that include anyone involved in a motor vehicle accident (ie. the people in the car too)?maryannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00049422238466670233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-91114185576580819642011-06-21T00:44:44.248+02:002011-06-21T00:44:44.248+02:00I think children and primary schools are the key i...I think children and primary schools are the key in the UK. <br /> <br />If all the money that is spent on “fake” cycle lanes in a town over 5 years where spent on making it nice and pleasant for the children in the catchment area of a single primary school to cycle/walk to school, we may then start to see some change. (Then other parents will start to demand the same)<br /><br />Also what if Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04515290869980227369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-40349609958450134042011-03-08T06:34:55.749+01:002011-03-08T06:34:55.749+01:00Thank you for the great article.
I am in Australia...Thank you for the great article.<br />I am in Australia, a country still very much in love with their motorcars, and there is no "duty of care" legislation to protect other vulnerable road users yet - just 36 years behind in getting a pressure groups started. <br />There was the unfortunate case of Mandatory Helmet Laws implemented in 1990 that caused a reduction of about 40% of the petertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-4028268342963875102011-01-10T19:11:18.370+01:002011-01-10T19:11:18.370+01:00Cycling England and the DfT have produced some hel...Cycling England and the DfT have produced some helpful publications and guidelines on cycling and the Dept for Health's 'cycle4life' campaign is well-intentioned. These are top down initiatives which create an environment but are not of themselves the catalyst for change.<br /><br />Change would depend on local councils having the vision, energy and commitment to promote utility fairweathercyclisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05541929125894744322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-73700306279294055282011-01-10T19:00:47.651+01:002011-01-10T19:00:47.651+01:00But how do we get from where we are in the UK to t...But how do we get from where we are in the UK to the Dutch standard? <br /><br />True many UK shared use paths let you down at junctions, but the Dutch have fixed that so why don't we copy them?<br /><br />BUT how do we as cycle campaigners persuade local politicians and people?<br /><br />Is vehicular cycling capable of geting us to a modal share that can be a jumping off point for somethingOldGreyBeardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-9675522796240744012011-01-10T15:43:07.580+01:002011-01-10T15:43:07.580+01:00Neil: I take your point that it might be possible ...Neil: I take your point that it might be possible to fob off parents with something not quite as good as it ought to be.<br /><br />However, what has been done in Britain so far has not satisfied parents that their children will be safe. This goes not only for cycling, but also for walking, on those same "shared use paths". Too often, the walking environment in Britain <a href="http://David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-68440957919149625732011-01-10T15:16:02.330+01:002011-01-10T15:16:02.330+01:00While there is no doubt there are shared use facil...While there is no doubt there are shared use facilities that are so bad they are useless to everyone. And I would agree that shared use pavements make junctions worse for the cyclists. However they feel safer to people (addressing the subjective safety issue) and most parents would probably be happy with their children going on the average shared used pavement rather than the road. <br /><br />SoNeilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11443493823465136241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-19531926953416899052011-01-10T13:55:42.367+01:002011-01-10T13:55:42.367+01:00Good points made very well David
However we must ...Good points made very well David<br /><br />However we must realise that the UK government get a great deal of Tax revenue from transport fuel sales. call me a cynic but I suspect the reluctance to provide proper cycling facilities may be influenced in part by this cash cow.<br /><br />On another note A new Cycle lane was recently added here in cambridge out of the city and up to a local beauty Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17403450810871236294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-8457904324827411062011-01-10T11:23:00.628+01:002011-01-10T11:23:00.628+01:00Rob - "unless $10 / gallon gas rears its head...Rob - "unless $10 / gallon gas rears its head (highly unlikely) I don't see things changing on a fundamental basis anytime soon."<br />I read this week that the US national debt had reached the monstrous figure of 14 trillion dollars. The change of fundamental basis may be nearer than you think. And then there isn't even money for sidewalks anymore.Frits Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11399632570565541892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-32997889155702887212011-01-10T09:42:58.274+01:002011-01-10T09:42:58.274+01:00My sentiments exactly. Very well put sir.
This is...My sentiments exactly. Very well put sir.<br /><br />This is one of the approaches I intend to take for the new Cycling Embassy of Great Britain which has it's start up meeting in London on 29th January. There are lots of people in the UK that wish to take a different approach to cycle campaigning - in particular it's aims and strategies and the support so far gas been incredible.<br /><Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-90526930842291034642011-01-10T08:27:31.038+01:002011-01-10T08:27:31.038+01:00I find that how children get to school in our subu...I find that how children get to school in our suburb depends on the age of the subdivision.<br /><br />I live in a house constructed in 1969. With the middle school less than half a mile away, most of my neighbors' kids walk or ride bikes. I've counted about 4 dozen bikes at the rack, which is optimistically good. Crossing guards are staffed at four other intersections for other schools.<Robert Guicohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06388103684697773466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-52071825720376852052011-01-10T08:14:26.748+01:002011-01-10T08:14:26.748+01:00And what is happening in the UK? Lollipop people a...And what is happening in the UK? Lollipop people are being sacked to save money! Children are protected from being run over by being taken to school by car.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-75544581883199335472011-01-10T07:12:16.357+01:002011-01-10T07:12:16.357+01:00@examinedspoke: my thoughts exactly. People in th...@examinedspoke: my thoughts exactly. People in the US seem to have wholeheartedly adopted the idea that no one, and least of all children, should attempt to move about under their own power. It's very depressing. <br /><a href="http://www.saratogian.com/articles/2009/05/23/news/doc4a176696ca884152592474.txt" rel="nofollow">You'll remember this case, in which a mother was actually BGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15650718276049777977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-13137538264395416942011-01-10T07:08:03.039+01:002011-01-10T07:08:03.039+01:00Thanks! Will be trying these things in India :)Thanks! Will be trying these things in India :)Raj Janagamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-26506943394973959202011-01-10T03:04:40.322+01:002011-01-10T03:04:40.322+01:00I think you're spot on, David, but I'm won...I think you're spot on, David, but I'm wondering whether we in the U.S. are too far gone. It might have been possible in 1973 to ask communities to build better infrastructure for children who still rode and walked to school. In 2011, it seems to be about twenty years too late. Parents started driving their children to school in earnest sometime in the late 1980s. It's not evident to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-36803736400011136272011-01-10T02:27:12.848+01:002011-01-10T02:27:12.848+01:00It's often noted that there is little governme...<i>It's often noted that there is little government or public enthusiasm for spending even small amounts of money on the small number of people who are currently cyclists.</i><br /><br />I was discussing your answer to that with a couple of other cyclists & a transport consultant over the weekend, that it's also the potential cyclists - those who 'would' cycle - that Isla...https://www.blogger.com/profile/09569097700652272494noreply@blogger.com