tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post607408929107468726..comments2024-03-27T12:53:39.298+01:00Comments on A view from the cycle path: Shared Space revisited. The hype continues but in reality it still doesn't work.David Hembrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-47593686354981924582016-01-03T04:53:53.322+01:002016-01-03T04:53:53.322+01:00Petting zoos entice people to come and mix with th...Petting zoos entice people to come and mix with the animals because they're small, gentle and don't look or feel like a threat. They don't feel like they have big teeth, very strong muscles or large claws. How happy are people (unless you have an allergy to the dandruff) when they can mix and play with small goats or bunnies or small ponies? Same with cars. They might be OK riding Multiparty Democracy Todayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13359081992141220593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-20755880449420842692015-01-13T14:38:03.561+01:002015-01-13T14:38:03.561+01:00Oh dear, the addition of a new lamp does in no way...Oh dear, the addition of a new lamp does in no way improve the unpleasant experience that is "using that junction".<br />It only makes me feel slightly better that even the Dutch get it wrong sometimes.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10526891640649963111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-46433681728449829442014-04-14T08:51:49.583+02:002014-04-14T08:51:49.583+02:00Shared space in Gloucester which is terrifying for...Shared space in Gloucester which is terrifying for pedestrians, especially the elderly, disabled and blind:<br /><br />http://goo.gl/maps/5ecib<br /><br />there used to be a proper pedestrian crossing there. Now it's a complete nightmare with cars just not yielding to pedestrians at all.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04522574186375199063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-35947441120430072182014-04-14T07:04:20.212+02:002014-04-14T07:04:20.212+02:00" But like your safe petting zoos, there are ...<i>" But like your safe petting zoos, there are no lions or bears to "share" with."</i><br /><br />David, you left out the tigers.<br /><br />It should read thus: <i>"But like your safe petting zoos, there are no lions or tigers or bears to share with (oh my!)" </i><br /><br />Maybe the Dutch should raise their paradise to a new level: Yellow Brick Roads would add highwaymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13619122855480674269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-78744800038135966082014-04-13T17:50:31.693+02:002014-04-13T17:50:31.693+02:00Glen: Your misconception is a common one. Lots of ...Glen: Your misconception is a common one. Lots of people have opinions about what they think "shared space" ought to be. It comes up every time that the subject is discussed. However in practice the totally 'shared' space eally doesn't work at all, so even those in avour of shared space insist on some degree of segregation, especially of pedestrians. The above is a bona-fidaDavid Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-72684604880408445622014-04-13T07:37:01.161+02:002014-04-13T07:37:01.161+02:00I'm a little confused because most of the phot...I'm a little confused because most of the photos shown don't actually look like "shared spaces"; they look like calmed streets, which is quite a different animal. A shared space typically doesn't have many/any delineations between the road space and the pedestrian space; it's all the same, hence the greater care by road users in general. Sites like that in the video haveGlenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05378774855988056741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-59680567689197275022014-04-12T08:32:33.285+02:002014-04-12T08:32:33.285+02:00Kevin, Elliot: Thanks for your comments.
Yes, Dut...Kevin, Elliot: Thanks for your comments.<br /><br />Yes, Dutch drivers are just like those elsewhere.<br /><br />When >99% of the traffic is bicycle and pedestrian, you don't really have a "shared" space. That's more like our <a href="http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/search/label/pedestrianization" rel="nofollow">pedestrianized</a> or <a href="http://David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-40172356012536055232014-04-12T07:54:09.690+02:002014-04-12T07:54:09.690+02:00Thanks for this post. It really goes to show it...Thanks for this post. It really goes to show it's not about drivers being nicer there, or afraid of strict liability - it's all about the right infrastructure.Elliot Schwartzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02114406792525062851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-89167505508708697532014-04-12T04:29:32.106+02:002014-04-12T04:29:32.106+02:00I have seen shared spaces work in Toronto. But o...I have seen shared spaces work in Toronto. But only when >99% of the traffic is bicycle and pedestrian traffic. Otherwise car drivers bully people and it does not work.<br /><br />Toronto also has two shared space zoos. See:<br /><br />http://www.lionelsfarm.com/petting_zoo.html<br /><br />The next shared space zoo is my all-time favorite. It is located in North America's largest Kevin Lovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13186428862833389619noreply@blogger.com