tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post6010730266134335880..comments2024-02-24T06:21:30.987+01:00Comments on A view from the cycle path: Is it too late to start providing for cyclists ? Are the Dutch "too far ahead" ?David Hembrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-4099991788071010322009-11-26T21:00:51.355+01:002009-11-26T21:00:51.355+01:00"at 3 points ... the cycle lane has right of ..."at 3 points ... the cycle lane has right of way"<br /><br />but is that a lane parallel to the road. i.e. not part of the normal carriageway? That's was what I was meaning, although I may not have made that clear. It would be good (but surprising) to hear it had been done right somewhere.Neilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11443493823465136241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-70065430521043127742009-11-26T10:12:02.423+01:002009-11-26T10:12:02.423+01:00It's definitely not too late to start. If anyt...It's definitely not too late to start. If anything, the fact we're behind could help a little. The Dutch (and the Germans) have been there and done that... We don't have to spend all that time and money figuring it out. We just have to copy!<br /><br />My girlfriend's Dutch and, after living here a few years, moved back over to The Netherlands and was immediately back on a bike. Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10633070503520303995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-48413821889452083022009-11-18T21:19:25.843+01:002009-11-18T21:19:25.843+01:00Neil: I spent enough of my life cycling in the UK ...Neil: I spent enough of my life cycling in the UK that I know exactly what you're talking about. I almost never used off road provision in the UK as it would inevitably put me in the wrong place, reduce my speed, have lower priority at crossings etc.<br /><br />Cycle provision without the junctions taken care of simply isn't good enough. It is not quality cycle provision, and it won'tDavid Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-58823880314429099352009-11-18T14:16:18.646+01:002009-11-18T14:16:18.646+01:00It's true that many in the UK are dubious of s...It's true that many in the UK are dubious of separate cycle provision, but I would suggest that the majority are concerned because of the very low standard that most facilities are implemented. I don't think there would be many who would not want a full dutch style cycle network (though many that would doubt it could be achieved from where we are now).<br /><br />For instance no cycle Neilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11443493823465136241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-12669679228865498582009-11-18T06:33:36.983+01:002009-11-18T06:33:36.983+01:00Taliesin, the "research" you pointed at ...Taliesin, the "research" you pointed at is simply a collection of articles which appear to say that cycle paths are dangerous, largely quoted out of context.<br /><br />Real research was done over here, to work out what junction designs work well. The ideas about what would not work well were published so that these problems were known about and in order to prevent them being David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-543324987620468772009-11-17T23:51:22.429+01:002009-11-17T23:51:22.429+01:00HI,
Just found your blog from Amsterdamize.com an...HI,<br /><br />Just found your blog from Amsterdamize.com and like it. I'm looking at your excuses for not cycling or providing for cycling finding it interesting. <br /><br />ONe of the excuses that I've had put to me that has given me any pause for thought is that the parallel to road paths are more dangerous than riding on the road because of the issue around traffic at junctions. ThisTaliesinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04399506198451047847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-39488395930387466152009-11-09T07:48:28.176+01:002009-11-09T07:48:28.176+01:00Michael: I don't mean to imply that at all. Ra...Michael: I don't mean to imply that at all. Rather, the video shows that just 15 years into the big push for cycling which started in the 1970s, huge strides had already been made. 15 years is not very long. Any city, anywhere in the world, could commit to doing something similar.David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-69556598074379463162009-11-09T07:45:59.064+01:002009-11-09T07:45:59.064+01:00Joost: I think it's fair to say that the thing...Joost: I think it's fair to say that the things they say they'll do in this video have all been done. Whether the aim of "a reduction in car use" has actually been met for the country as a whole is not certain. However it's certainly been met within <a href="http://hembrow.blogspot.com/2009/02/how-groningen-grew-to-be-worlds-number.html" rel="nofollow">many</a> <a href="httpDavid Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-24774962258165015212009-11-09T07:39:13.685+01:002009-11-09T07:39:13.685+01:00Great video, David, As you imply, they were so far...Great video, David, As you imply, they were so far ahead even then that its kind of depressing.<br /><br />And yet, any progress with bikes is enjoyable and satisfying so one presses on. <br /><br />Any bike on any road with the sun shining, wind in the hair is a joy.<br /><br />Mike RubbiMichaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10510514405099510918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-50027896107288083602009-11-09T01:29:02.584+01:002009-11-09T01:29:02.584+01:00David, it's astonishing to think this video (a...David, it's astonishing to think this video (and 1990!) were 20 years ago - there are so many basic key reccomendations in that video which even now we are stuggling to have adopted in "non-cycling cities" It does fill me with enthusiasm though - I am quite certain that any city could be a cycling city if the political will was there to build the infrastructure. Great clip, thanksibikelondonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06978714126105951294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-18440039310029450382009-11-09T00:39:46.016+01:002009-11-09T00:39:46.016+01:00Great find! Since the Plan is from 1990 and they ...Great find! Since the Plan is from 1990 and they state specific goals for 2010, I'm curious if you know to what extent these have been either achieved or even surpassed? And is there a current Plan looking forward a similar two decades? And, historically, a plan from ~1970? Thanks.<br /><br />--JoostJoost Bonsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12192564602233089351noreply@blogger.com