tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post5717917394307350293..comments2024-02-24T06:21:30.987+01:00Comments on A view from the cycle path: German cycle paths vs Dutch cycle paths.David Hembrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-62772246168284932982010-07-14T14:17:08.306+02:002010-07-14T14:17:08.306+02:00In general German cycle paths are designed for car...In general German cycle paths are designed for car traffic, in Denmark or Netherlands cycle paths are made for cycle traffic.<br /><br />Some older examples from Hamburg, but it still keeps going on similar:<br />http://www.hamburg.adfc.de/radverkehrspolitik/sicherheitsaudit/aktuelle-fehlplanungen/hamburgize.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203988332347924137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-1091317021832071472010-06-02T14:12:54.702+02:002010-06-02T14:12:54.702+02:00I think you have to remember that Germany is very ...I think you have to remember that Germany is very different to the NL in that it's Federal, so whjat you see there is very different to what we see here. Even locally there'S huge variation: Ostfildern is poor, Stuttgart is worse, but Esslingen is improving rapidly as are a lot of towns locally because our state (Baden-Württemberg) is pushing hard to get cycling back as a transport optionAndy in Germanyhttp://www.workbike.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-16628474415698873532010-05-26T19:44:50.814+02:002010-05-26T19:44:50.814+02:00Inconvenient Truth: I hoped you'd respond. I h...Inconvenient Truth: I hoped you'd respond. I haven't looked to criticize Germany for no reason. After all, they've a cycling rate which is <a href="http://hembrow.blogspot.com/2008/08/pit-canaries.html" rel="nofollow">amongst the highest</a>. However, after the ADFC comments recently, I thought it worth pointing out how German provision varies from the Dutch.<br /><br />Dutch towns David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-32681558461751675202010-05-26T18:12:25.187+02:002010-05-26T18:12:25.187+02:00Another great post, David. Sorry I've been so ...Another great post, David. Sorry I've been so slow to respond. I'm just on my way back to Cycling Demonstration Town Darlington from Bremen, the two towns featuring in the Beauty and the Bike project mentioned above. Bremen's provision is actually pretty out of date and limited now. Much of it was built 20 to 30 years ago, and has resulted in levels of cycling (now about 25%) that areinconvenient_truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17888983434920764431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-14018715766179902042010-05-25T15:19:23.467+02:002010-05-25T15:19:23.467+02:00Christhebull: I'm afraid I've not been to ...Christhebull: I'm afraid I've not been to Munich, so can't say. I think it's got one of the higher cycling rates in Germany, so it probably also has some of the better infrastructure. These things go hand in hand.David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-86379924837419098412010-05-24T22:31:02.055+02:002010-05-24T22:31:02.055+02:00The German bike paths aren't that great, but a...The German bike paths aren't that great, but at least they seem usable (ie - you could ride the Mango without getting stuck at some zig zag barriers). I'm going to Munich soon, is the infrastructure / atmosphere there any good?christhebullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18058394246399615754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-66572137216776530322010-05-23T10:43:17.515+02:002010-05-23T10:43:17.515+02:00@jon: To be clear, I would like as little space as...@jon: To be clear, I would like as little space as possible to be used for (especially urban) automobiles... for movement, parking and production!Slow Factoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12056080802746709323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-79058268954948291942010-05-23T10:29:37.320+02:002010-05-23T10:29:37.320+02:00@Green Idea Factory
But maybe it is worth for cars...@Green Idea Factory<br />But maybe it is worth for cars to give up road space to bicycles in the beginning, because this will move some people out of the car and onto bicycles/into velomobiles, which will take up less space than cars.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-42061638375604096262010-05-23T08:46:55.489+02:002010-05-23T08:46:55.489+02:00Perhaps it is implicit/obvious, but where there is...Perhaps it is implicit/obvious, but where there is less on-street vehicle parking there is more space for separated cycle paths. So, in the NL examples I see many places where motor vehicles just get enough space to move... and not much more. Even if a lot of automobile driving is unnecessary, emergency and delivery movements are not.<br /><br />I live in Berlin now and cycled a fair bit in Slow Factoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12056080802746709323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-68236073396878030962010-05-22T10:26:52.560+02:002010-05-22T10:26:52.560+02:00Interesting video. I think the Danish bicycle path...Interesting video. I think the Danish bicycle paths are generally a little wider than the German, and probably more smooth.<br /><br />I look forward to compare bicycling in Amsterdam with Copenhagen because i can imagine that it is sometimes hard to design for all traffic in cities with a lot of traffic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-60853306280772488222010-05-22T00:00:29.752+02:002010-05-22T00:00:29.752+02:00That is a very well edited video, with clear expla...That is a very well edited video, with clear explanations. I can understand more easily how attitudes vary from one country to the next. I'd read recently that Germany had repealed the mandatory use laws, but now do not know if it refers to bike lanes, on the roadway, or to bike paths as shown in the video. Either way, not requiring the use of such poor facilities is certainly a step in the fred_dot_uhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04574969654014349105noreply@blogger.com