tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post4421460201729981230..comments2024-02-24T06:21:30.987+01:00Comments on A view from the cycle path: Convenience of cycle paths. Comparison of UK vs. Netherlands.David Hembrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-45189014768808486762011-07-19T00:38:10.079+02:002011-07-19T00:38:10.079+02:00I love the fact that the "worst infrastructur...I love the fact that the "worst infrastructure in Assen" is still about a million times better than any cycle paths in the UK.Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08811589861288229109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-36014313964015647612011-07-18T15:48:32.491+02:002011-07-18T15:48:32.491+02:00dr2chase: Assen has a rather densely populated cen...dr2chase: Assen has a rather densely populated center and suburbs that are much greener. We have the town "elite" of two centuries ago to thank for that, as they preserved the old forest within the town limits and established private parks around their own houses. These back gardens, enormous plots, are slowly being absorbed by the town itself, but there still is a lot of green. I live Frits Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11399632570565541892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-9543818550133376052011-07-18T15:27:01.435+02:002011-07-18T15:27:01.435+02:00Mark, the example you give may have been successfu...Mark, the example you give may have been successful in the Netherlands, but in countries like Australia and the US it would play in the other direction - encouraging a crackdown on cycling in a ludicrous attempt to ensure the safety of children.Simonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-20035947972291678512011-07-18T13:53:35.964+02:002011-07-18T13:53:35.964+02:00@Simon, one part of generating the political will,...@Simon, one part of generating the political will, is to show that the anti-cycling excuses are unfounded. The hope is to get people who are on the fence to realize that the only thing standing between us and "nice things" (Netherlands-style bicycling infrastructure) is our choice not to have it -- that we're just as dense, just as flat, etc, etc, etc.<br /><br />Design standards dr2chasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16320828055999939449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-34520156196542547552011-07-18T11:20:00.485+02:002011-07-18T11:20:00.485+02:00York has the second highest cycling modal share in...York has the second highest cycling modal share in the UK (around 15 per cent) but people who cycle there do so despite the infrastructure not because of it. <br /><br />York is a ridiculously compact city yet the council promotes car dependency by making car use in the city centre attractive and convenient. The vast majority of car use in York is local.<br /><br />If you talk to a York transportFreewheelerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06567599482228907441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-35391693257332534142011-07-18T11:16:07.766+02:002011-07-18T11:16:07.766+02:00York could be in many German cities, even in so ca...York could be in many German cities, even in so called bike friendly cities like Cologne. <br />Also "European Green Capital" Hamburg still has similar "cycle tracks". These were made to ban cyclists away from the road and to prefer car traffic. Some examples from Hamburg: <a href="http://hamburgize.blogspot.com/2011/07/kreisverkehr-klostersternradwege-jetzt.html" rel="hamburgize.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203988332347924137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-8180310984124679242011-07-18T10:36:27.124+02:002011-07-18T10:36:27.124+02:00Simon: Finding political will is indeed a problem....Simon: Finding political will is indeed a problem. I have <a href="http://hembrow.blogspot.com/search/label/campaigning" rel="nofollow">a few posts about campaigning</a>, including examples of campaigns which have worked, and others which have been less successful.<br /><br />It is important to know where to find inspiration, and what to ask for. All too often campaigners seek only minor David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-64444904173485599902011-07-18T08:45:29.169+02:002011-07-18T08:45:29.169+02:00@simon "Nowhere"? try this post, it tell...@simon "Nowhere"? try <a href="http://hembrow.blogspot.com/2011/01/stop-child-murder.html" rel="nofollow">this post</a>, it tells you exactly how in the Netherlands the political climate was influenced and changed.Mark W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07882028603632115187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-61832620428276741242011-07-18T08:27:52.908+02:002011-07-18T08:27:52.908+02:00You make it sound as if the reason other countries...You make it sound as if the reason other countries don't have cycling facilities as good as those in the Netherlands is a lack of design standards or the "false" excuse of narrow roads. But the real reason is massive political opposition to creating good cycling infrastructure because to do so requires taking road space that is currently used by motorists. Nowhere on your blog do Simonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-62051631870476877582011-07-18T07:35:11.290+02:002011-07-18T07:35:11.290+02:00dr2chase: You'll probably never find two towns...dr2chase: You'll probably never find two towns which are exactly comparable in density and layout. From what I can see, <a href="http://hembrow.blogspot.com/2011/02/population-density-vs-cycling-rate-for.html" rel="nofollow">density has no correlation with cycling rate</a>. Dutch towns and cities vary in layout just as much as those in other countries, but never do the densities approach the David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-86998088216751440372011-07-18T02:33:57.609+02:002011-07-18T02:33:57.609+02:00Slightly unrelated comment, about how population i...Slightly unrelated comment, about how population is distributed in Assen. I've been trying to figure out which US towns are "as dense as Assen", which Wikipedia helpfully tells me is 2000 per square mile. But, looking at satellite views, it looks like the town includes an undeveloped (or perhaps unpopulated) ring of some reasonable width, which means that the effective population dr2chasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16320828055999939449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-62971395077639725042011-07-18T01:26:32.458+02:002011-07-18T01:26:32.458+02:00It's not my video, Chris. However, I admit tha...It's not my video, Chris. However, I admit that I thought the title was quite amusing.David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-29691250067623729072011-07-18T01:23:56.179+02:002011-07-18T01:23:56.179+02:00Since when has York had a superhypeway? Has the bl...Since when has York had a superhypeway? Has the blue rash spread from London?christhebullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18058394246399615754noreply@blogger.com