tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post4311312581033576609..comments2024-02-24T06:21:30.987+01:00Comments on A view from the cycle path: Comparisons of British vs. Dutch streetsDavid Hembrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-48866429488465007542011-01-12T07:24:18.824+01:002011-01-12T07:24:18.824+01:00is there a particular scehme that the dutch use th...is there a particular scehme that the dutch use that determines if a road gets a painted bike lane or a separated bike path along or nearly parallel to the road???<br /><br />and can that be found in english (or dutch) online???r s thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04605854547657694111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-27271457691803173162010-09-14T15:01:47.305+02:002010-09-14T15:01:47.305+02:00Thanks for this David, really useful. Of course in...Thanks for this David, really useful. Of course in general the cycle path provision is apalling in the UK, but it is slowly improving. I'd just like to flag up that the 'cycle superhighway' that manages to completely avoid Elephant and Castle roundabout in South London is literally a lifesaver. I was forced to cycle round that monstrosity of bad planning praying under my breath not togirlandsteedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10485973764304458710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-160978207332529792010-08-17T12:58:36.684+02:002010-08-17T12:58:36.684+02:00@Walk Eagle Rock
What you say is certainly the ca...@Walk Eagle Rock<br /><br />What you say is certainly the case here in Manchester,UK and much of the rest of Britain. <br /><br />We have massive swathes of useless grassy areas either beside or inbetween large carriageways (or both). <br /><br />These areas are not used for anything whatsoever - all year round. Yet they require constant mowing and litter picking - using up council money. <br /><Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13570415802364596822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-45747787821045375612010-08-04T07:23:46.312+02:002010-08-04T07:23:46.312+02:00Mark,
It seems where the Dutch have implemented ...Mark, <br /><br />It seems where the Dutch have implemented bike paths, the English speaking countries have super wide planted medians and greenery between the parked cars and sidewalk. I can certainly speak for some neighborhoods of Los Angeles, we waste (in my opinion) space on grass which is difficult to maintain when the same amount of space could have been used for a separated bike path.Walk Eagle Rockhttp://walkeaglerock.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-26955361817924067162010-08-03T23:55:16.469+02:002010-08-03T23:55:16.469+02:00I am very surprised by most comments. What I see i...I am very surprised by most comments. What I see in the pictures IS on street parking AND separate cycle infrastructure AND the same number of car lanes.<br /> <br />On the second pair David shows, there is NO on street parking in the English picture. But on a street of the same width with the same type of houses there IS on street parking in the Dutch picture AND a two way separate cycle path. Mark W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07882028603632115187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-49865970403393452242010-08-03T05:01:24.706+02:002010-08-03T05:01:24.706+02:00"There is no suggestion of segregated cycle r..."There is no suggestion of segregated cycle routes nor of any help leaving the town . . ."<br /><br />My God, man! That would require that ordinary people would have to travel two, maybe even three miles by BICYCLE!<br /><br />You can't expect a city to take that sort of trouble and expense just to cater to a few elite athletes and super humans.kfgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-36422239577542002582010-08-03T03:26:14.634+02:002010-08-03T03:26:14.634+02:00I would lose no sleep if in our cities in Australi...I would lose no sleep if in our cities in Australia we:<br /><br /><b>1a) banned private motor vehicle access entirely, or<br />1b) toll them if they wish to enter the CBD<br />2) slow speed limits to 30km/h<br />3) remove on-street parking.<br />4) prioritise lights for pedestrians & cyclists<br />5) remove dual lane roads (particularly one-way streets which turn into racetracks)</b><br /><Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-2848081979742118582010-08-02T21:20:41.507+02:002010-08-02T21:20:41.507+02:00Very informative. Thank you.Very informative. Thank you.Traditional Bike Club Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15686473479441209354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-41512469507207505982010-08-02T20:42:42.558+02:002010-08-02T20:42:42.558+02:00THere are many 2-way urban roads in the UK that ar...THere are many 2-way urban roads in the UK that are too narrow for improved cycling facilities, but they can be picked out by the presence of double yellow lines by the curb, 2 lanes and the and narror footpaths. Pretty much everything else comes down to a question of priorites.Taliesinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04399506198451047847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-23655842875760088072010-08-02T18:19:22.458+02:002010-08-02T18:19:22.458+02:00Thank you. It's good to see some more examples...Thank you. It's good to see some more examples of how the Dutch would lay out similar width roads. And if you have more that would be great. Especially for any narrower widths. <br /><br />How to get the social/political situation that this could happen in the UK I am not quite so sure.<br /><br />And of course if implemented well (like this) it looks great. But a few modifications and it Neilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11443493823465136241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-52929477031528690412010-08-02T13:31:05.240+02:002010-08-02T13:31:05.240+02:00Then first photo shows High Road Leytonstone, wher...Then first photo shows High Road Leytonstone, where it would be perfectly feasible to <a href="http://crapwalthamforest.blogspot.com/2009/12/going-dutch-on-high-road-leytonstone.html" rel="nofollow">go Dutch</a>.<br /><br />The problem is that car parking is perceived as a higher priority than either walking or cycling, and in Leytonstone both footways and road space are allocated for car parkingfreewheelerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16731932510033958017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-33052244177010661982010-08-02T12:14:15.043+02:002010-08-02T12:14:15.043+02:00All very good and welcome evidence. The planning a...All very good and welcome evidence. The planning authority for my "home" town of Brackley have just published an expansion plan for a population increase of 30% in the period to 2026. Poor "legibility" of pedestrian and cycle ways is identified, along with a shortage of car parking (oh what a surprise). A small area of shared "use" is suggested - pretty much what we Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-78318840435887328182010-08-02T08:08:06.182+02:002010-08-02T08:08:06.182+02:00Here in Los Angeles it is similar to Sydney. We to...Here in Los Angeles it is similar to Sydney. We too need to remove traffic lanes or remove parking.<br /><br />However, we also have certain streets which are rather narrow by car centric standards. One street in my hometown springs to mind: it is a relatively short street, only running about a mile from end to end, it services a bus route and is mostly residential housing with a corner store, Walk Eagle Rockhttp://walkeaglerock.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-92144164987055574942010-08-02T04:26:13.137+02:002010-08-02T04:26:13.137+02:00@Adrian
First of all road widths are set from a na...@Adrian<br />First of all road widths are set from a national design guidebook for roads. In the US, allowed widths are from 10-13 feet for typical urban 30mph roads. Many of these roads are 12feet+ and very few places have something closer to 10ft. However in many situations lowering the speed to 20 or even 25 as a first step, and re-stripping to lane widths of 10ft and maybe 9 depending on John in NHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07124328678630889953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-80287958377197944192010-08-02T03:52:46.077+02:002010-08-02T03:52:46.077+02:00Absolutely - London's roads are so narrow that...Absolutely - London's roads are <i>so narrow</i> that they have to <a href="http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=51.506012,-0.138588&spn=0,0.077162&t=h&z=14&layer=c&cbll=51.505954,-0.138735&panoid=pY4CCqu0ay7nBTFT8Xh6uQ&cbp=12,326.32,,2,4.18" rel="nofollow">put the taxi ranks in the middle,</a> because there's parking on both sides. Note that in this case, christhebullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18058394246399615754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-6025760456833446662010-08-02T01:52:17.322+02:002010-08-02T01:52:17.322+02:00My hometown is Sydney. Yes, the roads are wide eno...My hometown is Sydney. Yes, the roads are wide enough, but only if either:<br /><br />a) on-street parking is removed, or<br />b) traffic lanes for cars are reduced.<br /><br />These are both political death for any politician. The society here is completely auto-dependent and quite hostile to cyclists.<br /><br />In these circumstances (common throughout the western world) how do you suggest a Adriannoreply@blogger.com