tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post3883552624973545217..comments2024-03-27T12:53:39.298+01:00Comments on A view from the cycle path: On-Road Cycle-lanes are dangerous. Oostrum's children deserve betterDavid Hembrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-62341938381323090532013-12-19T13:05:34.919+01:002013-12-19T13:05:34.919+01:00Paul, it's a small part of the Netherlands whe...Paul, it's a small part of the Netherlands where the infrastructure has yet to be modernized. In a land of very good bicycle infrastructure, it is the exception rather than the rule. The point of the post is "imitate the Netherlands, but be sure to distinguish mistakes from best practices. "<br /><br />It's also reassuring to know that the Dutch are also mortal.highwaymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13619122855480674269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-44741281124672634922013-12-17T09:07:42.471+01:002013-12-17T09:07:42.471+01:00that "infrastructure" in Oostrum looks e...that "infrastructure" in Oostrum looks exactly like the current rubbish we have to put up with in the UK... painted cycle lanes and ASLs. Nowhere near best practice...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04522574186375199063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-52468121146041391432013-12-16T22:58:21.695+01:002013-12-16T22:58:21.695+01:00GF: To say you've missed the point would be to...GF: To say you've missed the point would be to give too much credit to you.<br /><br />Insisting on "cycling in the lane" (I'll avoid your all caps style) would simply reduce cycling to a minority activity, as indeed it is in all English speaking countries where this is the norm. These countries are also those where cyclists are least safe.<br /><br />NL is not perfect (that'David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-6057352960505632072013-12-16T22:40:42.621+01:002013-12-16T22:40:42.621+01:00That is why the offstreet bike lane mentality is n...That is why the offstreet bike lane mentality is not the only answer. Bikes and cars have to interact on common streets and need to be legally allowed to i a safe way. If the cyclists would be IN THE LANE, controlling use of the lane, after safely entering when they can of course, and allowed to make the left turn when safe (as anyone in a car would do) then this would be much safer. Instead, theGFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07172904909839950726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-23083873608498017182013-12-16T15:41:37.682+01:002013-12-16T15:41:37.682+01:00The reduced record-keeping mentioned above is also...The reduced record-keeping mentioned above is also somewhat contrary to trends in tracking failures that we actually care about. The New York Police Department harasses thousands of young blacks with "stop and frisk" for the claimed purpose of reducing crime (it's not clear it has helped, US crime is down everywhere, this may have merely been a costly and counterproductive racist dr2chasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16320828055999939449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-53555022132386709612013-12-16T11:30:19.683+01:002013-12-16T11:30:19.683+01:00I don't think people in the UK know what a man...I don't think people in the UK know what a mandatory cycle lane is. Many tend to be within bus lanes which keeps cars away. However the vast majority of people keep out of all cycle lanes but a significant minority either drive right up to the line or will swerve into them. I often get punishment passes on a stretch of road that has a shared cycle/pedestrian path which is through an area Karlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10309931038718173286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-53193866334359890222013-12-16T11:14:31.633+01:002013-12-16T11:14:31.633+01:00bz2: Thanks for your comment. The point about not ...bz2: Thanks for your comment. The point about not recording collisions until there's been an injury is well taken. As well as a money saving measure, this is of course a very fine way for local authorities to avoid responsibility for having to do anything.<br /><br />As for the cycle lanes. I should have made this clearer. In the UK, we have two types of cycle lanes - mandatory lanes with a David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-85128912102847461962013-12-16T11:04:34.664+01:002013-12-16T11:04:34.664+01:00The alderman points out that the records don't...The alderman points out that the records don't show it to be a dangerous junction. However, as of a few years ago, the police no longer record accidents in which no-one is injured (as a cost-saving measure, obviously). I used to live near a junction where at least every other week an accident would occur, but the police and municipality ensured me that the junction wasn't dangerous bz2https://www.blogger.com/profile/12501944795613124511noreply@blogger.com