tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post3082976003846505711..comments2024-03-27T12:53:39.298+01:00Comments on A view from the cycle path: School cycle trainingDavid Hembrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-21264937800675931122010-04-26T16:30:32.133+02:002010-04-26T16:30:32.133+02:00Tom, you're right that cycling isn't a par...Tom, you're right that cycling isn't a particularly dangerous activity anywhere. I've covered this before on many occasions.<br /><br />However, the fact remains that <a href="http://hembrow.blogspot.com/2008/12/extreme-sport.html" rel="nofollow">where cycling has the appearance of being a dangerous activity, people mostly do not cycle</a>. <a href="http://hembrow.blogspot.com/2008/09David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-10138503739623874812010-04-25T23:44:52.800+02:002010-04-25T23:44:52.800+02:00We all would like nice safe places preserved for c...We all would like nice safe places preserved for cyclists - but the fact is that the road is pretty safe, even in North America or the UK. I recall a UK study that found that every hour cycled resulted in more than an hour additional lifetime. The health benefits of cycling far outweigh the dangers.<br /><br />tOMtOM Trottierhttp://SafeCycling.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-49942253221471280282010-04-23T10:38:49.491+02:002010-04-23T10:38:49.491+02:00@J I have to disagree. I can agree that they go ha...@J I have to disagree. I can agree that they go hand-in-hand, that you _should_ have both. But you seem to be suggesting that without the infrastructure, the training is pointless, which I can't agree with. Training will never replace infrastructure and vica-versa, but that doesn't mean it is pointless on it's own.<br /><br />@Frits.B - it's a shame Google Translate doesn't Neilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11443493823465136241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-12291858524222014282010-04-22T18:43:08.601+02:002010-04-22T18:43:08.601+02:00@Neil: and this is what happens to a cyclist who r...@Neil: and this is what happens to a cyclist who refuses to obey a stop sign and crosses a line of children on bikes:<br />http://www.webregio.nl/waterland/webregio-tv/video/11799846/man-fietst-door-groen-maar-wordt-toch-opgepakt.aspx<br /><br />(the real reason being that he was ticked off and then became very aggressive towards the police)Frits Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11399632570565541892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-26336481179652257702010-04-22T15:35:35.715+02:002010-04-22T15:35:35.715+02:00Neil,
My point is that Cycling Training without g...Neil,<br /><br />My point is that Cycling Training without good infrastructure, even **good** Cycling Training, is like insisting on seatbelts in a car that has no engine. <br />If you want to make people safer through training, you first have to create the possibility for well trained people to be safe. Needless to say, many places in the world are incredibly dangerous for cyclists no matter J..noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-75934791653032381832010-04-22T12:14:37.467+02:002010-04-22T12:14:37.467+02:00Though of course it is worth noting the opposite t...Though of course it is worth noting the opposite too - that if even the Dutch with their excellent infrastructure still see training as important and worthwhile, that other countries need it _at least_ as much.<br /><br />- ubiquitous training to familiarise everyone with cycling. <br />- suitable infrastructure to make it easy and pleasant for all.<br /><br />... and I'm wondering if there Neilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11443493823465136241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-15461958464009701112010-04-22T10:38:44.472+02:002010-04-22T10:38:44.472+02:00"Or worse: they just provide "helmet tra..."Or worse: they just provide "helmet training" and then pat themselves on the back for increasing cycling safety."<br /><br />you mean something like <a href="http://bikebg.org/archives/173" rel="nofollow">this</a>, I'm sure :)Amsterdamizehttp://amsterdamize.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-70159510750132441162010-04-21T16:57:27.932+02:002010-04-21T16:57:27.932+02:00"I think it's worth including it here, es..."I think it's worth including it here, especially because "cycling training" is often used as an excuse in other countries."<br /><br />Or worse: they just provide "helmet training" and then pat themselves on the back for increasing cycling safety.didriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-32516092791412919802010-04-21T11:54:57.254+02:002010-04-21T11:54:57.254+02:00David,
You left out your usual caviat about the n...David,<br /><br />You left out your usual caviat about the need for good cycling infrastructure in this post. I think it's worth including it here, especially because "cycling training" is often used as an excuse in other countries. It's worth noting that the training these kids are getting is useless unless there's a safe place to apply these lessons. Otherwise you end up J..noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-18232083284100537012010-04-21T11:11:53.770+02:002010-04-21T11:11:53.770+02:00Thank you very much for this information. I hope t...Thank you very much for this information. I hope that we can use this here in Berlin in a "walk/cycle to school"-campaign later this year.Michael S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-7729803159480389742010-04-21T00:20:06.143+02:002010-04-21T00:20:06.143+02:00David,
I can see why cycling on a narrow plank mi...David,<br /><br />I can see why cycling on a narrow plank might be useful for teaching children to cycle here in Australia:<br /><br />Some bike 'lanes' near the gutter here have been chopped up by utility companies so much that we are often left with a small strip of fresh asphalt to cycle on safely - not much wider than that plank!<br /><br />Cycle either side of this and you're in Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com