tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post2975831252126327339..comments2024-03-27T12:53:39.298+01:00Comments on A view from the cycle path: TfL's terrible "two stage right turn" - which is actually approved of by LCCDavid Hembrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-8014700850114479332016-02-21T16:12:43.273+01:002016-02-21T16:12:43.273+01:00I wonder whether the "approved and well desig...I wonder whether the "approved and well designed two stage left (right) turns" referenced by the LCC is a reference to the protected intersection, which actually has a curb that creates a fairly well protected space to make such a two stage turn, or whether they really mean the kind that Copenhagen has. The protected intersection is genuinely used in the Netherlands on a regular basis Multiparty Democracy Todayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13359081992141220593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-37736446880490291972015-08-16T01:16:37.446+02:002015-08-16T01:16:37.446+02:00It is good that there is now segregation on the CS...It is good that there is now segregation on the CS2 between Stratford and Bow Roundabout (the latter of which needs a massive update to include protected intersections. BTW, I am using protected intersection because the only turns you can make would lead you down a freeway), and soon to be segregation on the rest of CS2 to Aldgate, a massive improvement over what is there today, but why stop at Multiparty Democracy Todayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13359081992141220593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-60496102707958791002013-11-18T00:22:03.619+01:002013-11-18T00:22:03.619+01:00There are often 'complaints' of cyclists g...There are often 'complaints' of cyclists going through red lights - indeed the police seem to think it a crime worth stopping - so the idea that cyclists will instead take a detour 2 or three times as long to cross a road seems a little silly.<br /><br />Regarding the bus stop bypass, i'm sure better could be built, but there is a lack of space to build anything much wider.<br /><br /Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09569636718298330103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-70116790897302613502013-09-22T11:40:55.571+02:002013-09-22T11:40:55.571+02:00Hi David - I think I'm aware of one example of...Hi David - I think I'm aware of one example of a simultaneous green system in the UK - in Liverpool!<br /><br />On my commute, there was a crossroads between a minor road and a busy major road. For the minor road, the council had put in a short kerb-segregated track leading up to the junction, with its own set of lights. The lights would feature in every sequence if you hit off the weight HannahChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01106558160546769052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-82265048748242499252013-09-04T23:13:18.401+02:002013-09-04T23:13:18.401+02:00Is it true that simultaneous green already exists ...Is it true that simultaneous green already exists for pedestrians in some places in the UK? And if so, wouldn't it just require adding bike signals?<br /><br />It may be obvious, but how are pedestrians handled for Dutch simultaneous green intersections? <br /><br />We do have a few simultaneous green even here in Los Angeles, with diagonal crossing, used by peds and bikes riding on the HBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12803252648424411894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-3390888226082101582013-09-04T17:22:40.058+02:002013-09-04T17:22:40.058+02:00Aside from the inconvenience it seems to me that t...Aside from the inconvenience it seems to me that the main problem with both these two-stage plans is that they are each one-of-a-kind non-standard rather complicated concepts (for those unfamiliar with the idea). As pointed out elsewhere, if you need a video to explain it, you've done it wrong.<br /><br />In contrast, simultaneous all-directions green seems obvious to me. We've seen theTimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12957616409432299713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-31801860138508199082013-09-04T13:52:33.760+02:002013-09-04T13:52:33.760+02:00Hi David,
Do you know if there is an actual forum ...Hi David,<br />Do you know if there is an actual forum there for "actual cyclists" in the English language? By this I mean for those who actual cycle for their day to day life needs, for those who are car-free or largely car-lite. In the USA where I live, everyone who touches a bicycle saddle for sport or recreation seems to consider (falsely) themselves a cyclist, but in reality if youNikephoroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17305429343777161682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-42655369685672109462013-09-03T20:39:49.524+02:002013-09-03T20:39:49.524+02:00LCC: I'm glad to hear that you've changed ...LCC: I'm glad to hear that you've changed the text on your website but frankly, you're still far too complementary about something which is really not good enough. Neither of these designs for London are remotely good enough.<br /><br />What's more, two-stage turns are not something that you should be championing at all. They prevent cyclists from making efficient journeys and David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-40320863509997997452013-09-03T19:53:13.191+02:002013-09-03T19:53:13.191+02:00Your headline is misleading because LCC doesn'...Your headline is misleading because LCC doesn't approve of this design, which should be clear from our article which says:<br /><br /><i>"This is an overly complicated arrangement, which involves the cyclist mounting a pedestrian footpath, before entering an ASL in front of a stream of motor vehicles that could move at any time.<br /><br />"While the cyclist has avoided having to London Cycling Campaignhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16048864679974734720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-11449336653639062062013-09-02T21:09:28.682+02:002013-09-02T21:09:28.682+02:00@ Richard: "Are simultaneous greens allowed i...@ Richard: "Are simultaneous greens allowed in the UK without a change in the law?"<br /><br />If so, what's the problem with changing laws? seiklmeiklhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17153138853126372218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-78288846523230316132013-09-02T14:23:04.888+02:002013-09-02T14:23:04.888+02:00I don't think there's any restriction in t...I don't think there's any restriction in the Traffic Signs Regulations preventing a simultaneous green junction, but there might be a problem with the precise form of the cycle signals. This doesn't really matter, though, because DfT can (and does) authorise non-standard traffic signs on a per-site basis, so there's no need for a change in the law to allow a non-standard traffic Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-60264335991059530682013-09-02T12:07:38.917+02:002013-09-02T12:07:38.917+02:00Are simultaneous greens allowed in the UK without ...Are simultaneous greens allowed in the UK without a change in the law?Richard Adamfihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08694637403939363693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-33134507721001866452013-09-01T04:09:40.998+02:002013-09-01T04:09:40.998+02:00It's quite astounding that so many locals beli...It's quite astounding that so many locals believe the propaganda (and then think, erroneously, that the Dutch don't know what they're doing) instead of doing something which will allow them to see how it is REALLY done: a quick internet search!<br /><br />Thanks for hammering away, David. We have similar problems in Australia and our geographical isolation makes things worse (why, I Paul Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16828401001732920598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-86026275089246849322013-08-31T22:24:51.160+02:002013-08-31T22:24:51.160+02:00So on the one hand we have "hardliners" ...So on the one hand we have "hardliners" like yourself arguing for rigorously Dutch infrastructure, and others arguing that this isn't practicable under current UK design principles and regulations, and we have to make do with what we've got. Unfortunately it is precisely the latter that is a major contributory factor to a) the glacial rate of progress in installing proper Jitensha Onihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13977971109066956363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-91289807368453421842013-08-31T14:44:08.771+02:002013-08-31T14:44:08.771+02:00I'd say to the designer, if you have to make a...I'd say to the designer, if you have to make an informational video to explain how to navigate it, then you're doing it wrong.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01283348373969873206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-88996231868256058112013-08-31T08:09:24.925+02:002013-08-31T08:09:24.925+02:00David, Simultaneous Green junctions are far more f...David, Simultaneous Green junctions are far more flexible than you think they are. Large and small junctions, wide and narrow roads.<br /><br />I've added a photo above showing how the way into one of these junctions in Assen is nothing more than a narrow road with a very short cycle-lane at the junction and on-road car parking for the rest of the length of the road.<br /><br />In another David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-6083952166839192752013-08-30T23:53:21.370+02:002013-08-30T23:53:21.370+02:00As the As Easy As Riding A Bike blog discussed, th...As the <a href="http://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2013/08/29/going-round-in-circles-on-stratford-high-street/" rel="nofollow">As Easy As Riding A Bike blog</a> discussed, the TfL design is not really a two-stage turn, it is a four or five stage turn. I can't believe anyone will really do it as they hope. The worst aspect of it is the inbuilt conflict with pedestrians through the David Ardittihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06255565837583244148noreply@blogger.com