tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post265652208794229466..comments2024-03-27T12:53:39.298+01:00Comments on A view from the cycle path: The devastating effect of Shared Space on the blind.David Hembrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-38187313953563841972015-03-04T12:45:10.919+01:002015-03-04T12:45:10.919+01:00For anybody interested in statistics and drivers s...For anybody interested in statistics and drivers stopping at crosswalks in America: http://www.activetrans.org/blog/rburke/active-trans-survey-shows-only-18-percent-drivers-stop-pedestrians-painted-crosswalksjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910978754201173428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-33498541170084398582015-01-11T21:29:51.513+01:002015-01-11T21:29:51.513+01:00In most of North america drivers are expected to y...<i>In most of North america drivers are expected to yield to pedestrians at all crossings, whether marked or not, and not just after the pedestrian has entered the carriageway, and in my experience they do fairly well</i><br />LOLOLOLOL really? In my experience, a good fraction of the time, nobody stops at all until you're standing right next to the edge of the lane, and then they grudgingly crzwdjkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06394805356595604336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-29549375027720778222015-01-07T09:26:48.899+01:002015-01-07T09:26:48.899+01:00Mike: You claim that US drivers are "more rea...Mike: You claim that US drivers are "more ready to yield" but this is based on pure opinion, not fact. That you support your argument by telling me that US drivers behave "fairly well ... at least on narrower streets" suggests that actually their behaviour is far from faultless.<br /><br />I also happen to know that the US road casualty rate is <a href="http://David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-26200806122990129362015-01-06T18:51:10.772+01:002015-01-06T18:51:10.772+01:00In most of North america drivers are expected to y...In most of North america drivers are expected to yield to pedestrians at all crossings, whether marked or not, and not just after the pedestrian has entered the carriageway, and in my experience they do fairly well, at least on narrower streets. That British drivers have become conditioned to yield only where there are stripes and flashing lights should be expected to have an impact on how well Mike Brinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09546715494426197117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-2872337200593359252015-01-06T10:29:56.208+01:002015-01-06T10:29:56.208+01:00Matthew,
I think you're a little confused abo...Matthew,<br /><br />I think you're a little confused about what you're looking at. Much is lost in translation between different countries.<br /><br />In the UK, as in most countries, drivers are <a href="https://www.gov.uk/using-the-road-159-to-203/pedestrian-crossings-191-to-199" rel="nofollow">required to give-way to pedestrians</a> who are using formal unsignalized crossings.<br /><brDavid Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-75242121869805569892015-01-04T20:36:53.667+01:002015-01-04T20:36:53.667+01:00David: I understand and appreciate all your work o...David: I understand and appreciate all your work on promoting safe junction design. However, according to the video you posted, even your preferred designs are not safe for the visually impaired.<br /><br />In the video, I watched as blind people were disrespected by drivers even as they attempted to cross very well marked crosswalks.<br /><br />Your preferred junction designs also rely upon the Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02027332620204904993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-33002051788550395582015-01-04T10:07:38.201+01:002015-01-04T10:07:38.201+01:00Matthew: I certainly am not advocating against rou...Matthew: I certainly am not advocating against roundabouts or other unsignalized junctions. At the end of this reply I'll include links to what I see as good designs.<br /><br />Legislation isn't enough to ensure safety. The US may have the law which you refer to and you may have other laws too which we do not, but you'll no doubt be aware that the rate of death and injury on US roadsDavid Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-79965430871021163552015-01-03T23:00:55.132+01:002015-01-03T23:00:55.132+01:00As a pedestrian advocate who also works a little b...As a pedestrian advocate who also works a little bit with visually impaired folks I'm on the look out for issues like this. But I'm in the United States, which seems to have different laws, and perhaps stronger protection for the disabled.<br /><br />When I viewed this video, I observed many, many cars violating what we call over here the "Crosswalk Law" that requires Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02027332620204904993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-46252387042599513592015-01-03T09:54:43.227+01:002015-01-03T09:54:43.227+01:00Martin: Thanks for your contribution. Unfortunatel...Martin: Thanks for your contribution. Unfortunately, you've believed the hype around Shared Space but not looked at the actual statistics.<br /><br />The truth about the "squareabout" in the small town of Drachten is that this single small junction <a href="http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/2014/04/where-crashes-are-shared-space-and.html" rel="nofollow">has caused more injuries David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-1680045874178250422015-01-01T20:48:04.740+01:002015-01-01T20:48:04.740+01:00I was recently directed to your blog and found it ...I was recently directed to your blog and found it of interest. As an on-road cyclist for over 40 years, first in the England and now in the US, the last 17 years as a bicycle instructor, I'm interested in promoting bicycling transportation on-road. <br />I haven't finished reading this blog but I noticed your criticism of Hans Monderman's "Shared Space" concept, of which I Martin Pionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00120320683033575368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-72515330602805396592014-12-29T23:29:47.564+01:002014-12-29T23:29:47.564+01:00I spoke to someone in Kensington and Chelsea highw...I spoke to someone in Kensington and Chelsea highways department who informed me that Exhibition Road was not shared space, but "single surface". This means that priority rules are no different to other roads, and that pedestrians must give way to vehicles when crossing.robbobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15265231484669029004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-30594938006556850292014-12-27T21:37:20.118+01:002014-12-27T21:37:20.118+01:00Andrew: The speed limit in these places is normall...Andrew: The speed limit in these places is normally 30 km/h. Naturally, drivers don't stick to the speed limit unless conditions make them. I've cycled in Shared Space areas at 40 km/h to try to keep up and found myself being overtaken by most cars.David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-88977330073260953602014-12-27T20:12:01.373+01:002014-12-27T20:12:01.373+01:00What are the speed limits in these spaces? "S...What are the speed limits in these spaces? "Shared zones" in Australia have a limit of 10kph, though I guess there is no guarantee that motor vehicles will actually be traveling at this speed.Architectonichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00768214042986413291noreply@blogger.com