tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post2604403709798632564..comments2024-02-24T06:21:30.987+01:00Comments on A view from the cycle path: "The busiest cycle street in the world" ? Why do we keep hearing exaggerations about Norrebrogade / Queen Louise's Bridge in Copenhagen?David Hembrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-45500529635004381932016-12-04T13:01:58.359+01:002016-12-04T13:01:58.359+01:00@ David Hembrow
Copenhagener here:
Regarding the...@ David Hembrow<br /><br />Copenhagener here:<br /><br />Regarding the counts and extrapolation of data. <br /><br />I've digged a bit into the issue of how the numbers are estimated. I found this working paper from the Danish road authority on methodologies of bicycle counts: http://vejdirektoratet.dk/DA/viden_og_data/publikationer/Lists/Publikationer/Attachments/891/CYKELSTATISTIK%Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-28058871487099401162016-12-01T11:36:11.924+01:002016-12-01T11:36:11.924+01:00Copenhagener here, just a few inputs on the bike c...Copenhagener here, just a few inputs on the bike counters.<br /><br />I don't think you can use the counters as a reliable measure of how many cyclists pass that particular place. My experience is that they don't count the right numbers if cyclists pass by in a group. <br /><br />You can actually download the data here: http://www.bicyclecounter.dk/BicycleCounter/BC_Historical.jsp<br /><Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-30392561716580717982015-07-18T03:42:30.222+02:002015-07-18T03:42:30.222+02:00So, what does Copenhagen need to make itself incre...So, what does Copenhagen need to make itself increase from 20% to 50% or more? Intersection improvements with its cycle tracks and main roads. There are enough cyclists making left turns that I say simultaneous green is worthwhile. It easy to do. Add a sign saying right turns free for cycling (and physically re-design the intersection too if possible), simultaneous green and you can make diagonalMultiparty Democracy Todayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13359081992141220593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-43050459246558698872011-03-05T08:04:37.564+01:002011-03-05T08:04:37.564+01:00tOM: You're missing the point. The Chinese hav...tOM: You're missing the point. The Chinese have for many decades been forced to cycle. Now that they can afford cars, the country is <a href="http://hembrow.blogspot.com/search/label/china" rel="nofollow">grinding to a halt with massive traffic jams</a>.<br /><br />What the Netherlands and Denmark have achieved is to encourage <a href="http://hembrow.blogspot.com/2008/10/car-free-living.html"David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-12577460699382099802011-03-05T06:37:10.504+01:002011-03-05T06:37:10.504+01:00I dispute that Denmark and Holland are the two mos...I dispute that Denmark and Holland are the two most-cycling countries in the world. I belive China has the biggest absolute and relative numbers.<br /><br />tOMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-82325318504254165002011-02-04T22:05:56.789+01:002011-02-04T22:05:56.789+01:00David - To give some credit where it is due, Mikae...David - To give some credit where it is due, Mikael has been been posting about the decline in Danish cycling with a considerable amount of consternation for some months now.<br /><br />He has noted that he has been approached by other concerned Danes requesting that he start a campaign similar to Cycle Chic and Copenhagenize specifically targeted at promoting Danish cycling.<br /><br />He's kfgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-24631672460107468612011-01-31T22:32:48.410+01:002011-01-31T22:32:48.410+01:00J..: You said something very important there: &quo...J..: You said something very important there: "If anything, the takeaway is that this fight is never truly over."<br /><br />wuppidoc: IMO, your <a href="http://bikebeauty.org/" rel="nofollow">"little" project</a> is one of the more important things out there. iven that it also has a connection with Germany, I'm dismayed that it wasn't thought to be more important at David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-55963349465824367332011-01-31T20:51:15.995+01:002011-01-31T20:51:15.995+01:00David, I was shure I exempted your "truth in ...David, I was shure I exempted your "truth in advertising" argument from my criticism.<br /><br />We are in full agreement when it comes to creating a hype. Perhaps the good people of CPH have been lulled into complacency by there own marketing.<br /><br />If anything, the takeaway is that this fight is never truly over.J..noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-38043585724757298292011-01-31T13:11:04.986+01:002011-01-31T13:11:04.986+01:00I looked again at the programme of the conference ...I looked again at the programme of the conference you were talking about (in Berlin). Boris Johnson and the woman from New York are only asked to come they have not yet accepted the invite.<br />But you are right, David, there is nothing and nobody from the Netherlands.<br />Maybe they only want to show the new efforts....wuppidochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12146251197662222605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-48632443362538596282011-01-31T11:51:51.858+01:002011-01-31T11:51:51.858+01:00Yes, and we are only asked to attend in Berlin, ve...Yes, and we are only asked to attend in Berlin, very sad, we could have brought the German and British experience together, we could have said, that you need proper infrastructure for bikes sorted out to get people on bikes who want safe and relaxed cycling, who want to cycle on normal bikes and not on sport machines. But with our "little" project and no big name behind us, we are not wuppidochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12146251197662222605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-26620836522745184792011-01-30T15:45:30.755+01:002011-01-30T15:45:30.755+01:00J..: I thought the more interesting point was the ...J..: I thought the more interesting point was the reduction of 1/8th in the cycling rate of in Denmark. It's not in order to gloat that I have been the only person to have blogged about this, but because sometimes you have to face up to an unpleasant truth in order to resolve the problem that causes it and to prevent the same thing happening elsewhere. Is it not interesting to know why this David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-29311573057947675782011-01-30T14:27:40.019+01:002011-01-30T14:27:40.019+01:00Am I the only one who thinks a contest of who has ...Am I the only one who thinks a contest of who has the busiest cycle lanes is absolutely useless? What would the conclusion be? <br />What if a street is has more cyclists because it is the only viable cycling route into town? What if some other town had its cyclists evenly distributed over a dozen high quality routes (none of which would be among the busiest cycle routes in the world), all J..noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-26015677031133533052011-01-25T23:09:34.041+01:002011-01-25T23:09:34.041+01:00@Neil:
Why is it not a cycle lane?@Neil:<br />Why is it not a cycle lane?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-62156585687508590602011-01-25T22:30:35.318+01:002011-01-25T22:30:35.318+01:00really? which country? but in any case, that is by...really? which country? but in any case, that is by definition then, not a cycle lane...Neilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11443493823465136241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-63367716899217367062011-01-25T21:52:53.976+01:002011-01-25T21:52:53.976+01:00@Neil
If people cycle on that road, they usually u...@Neil<br />If people cycle on that road, they usually use the area on the outside of the big white stripe. Maybe because they are told as kids? I was when we did the yearly competition between kids on at a certain class level to see who cycles the best.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-84380269188498534862011-01-25T18:05:41.268+01:002011-01-25T18:05:41.268+01:00Kevin - My God, man! That's nearly three quart...Kevin - My <i>God</i>, man! That's nearly three quarters.<br /><br />"made up by being pulled out of thin air."<br /><br />That is so mid 20th century. Now we pull them out of computers after destroying our raw data and keeping our algorithms as a trade secret.<br /><br />Since this makes our output irrefutable, it is therefore fact.kfgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-34989230113859399642011-01-25T17:08:58.307+01:002011-01-25T17:08:58.307+01:00KFG wrote:
"A good many figures are essential...KFG wrote:<br />"A good many figures are essentially made up..."<br /><br />Kevin's comment:<br />It is a well known fact that 64% of statistics are made up by being pulled out of thin air.Kevin Lovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13186428862833389619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-9241731225085484212011-01-25T15:33:26.140+01:002011-01-25T15:33:26.140+01:00> What do you think that big fat white line a l...> What do you think that big fat white line a long the road is in first video t=0m10s?<br /><br />That is surely the line marking the edge of the road. I think if nopthing else (width etc) the way the line changes over the junction (at the end of the film) confirms that this is _not_ cycle lane.Neilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11443493823465136241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-89582069557256634382011-01-25T15:19:32.192+01:002011-01-25T15:19:32.192+01:00"Usually you have to assume that such printed..."Usually you have to assume that such printed figures are correct"<br /><br />I'm afraid it has been my experience that usually you have to assume such printed figures are incorrect.<br /><br />A good many figures are essentially made up, as there is no actual way to directly quantify the phenomena. Estimating algorithms are used, which then end up reported as fact.<br /><br />Wherekfgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-41684429733948383942011-01-25T13:36:58.058+01:002011-01-25T13:36:58.058+01:00Those who've been following the comments might...Those who've been following the comments might like to know that there is <a href="http://hembrow.blogspot.com/2011/01/busiest-cycle-street-in-world.html#20110125" rel="nofollow">an update to the blog post with information from officials in Copenhagen</a>.<br /><br />The figures that Copenhagener found for a warm day in September 2009 were very much on the right lines for the high count David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-19678432172580550522011-01-25T13:12:25.559+01:002011-01-25T13:12:25.559+01:00They updated the Danish cycle route map, so now yo...They updated the Danish cycle route map, so now you can get them digitally for GPS. http://www.trafikken.dk/wimpdoc.asp?page=document&objno=142441<br /><br />It is route 9 that examinedspoke should have taken part of. But as you can see, it is not as direct as road 151 which is that straight yellow line from Vordingborg to Køge. That road was made for cars.<br /><br />It can also be seen hereAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-63094628360635176142011-01-25T11:46:03.831+01:002011-01-25T11:46:03.831+01:00Of course there are lots of roads in Germany that ...Of course there are lots of roads in Germany that are not sorted for bikes. Depends on the state you are moving in. <br />And when it comes to cities it also depends on the transport policy there. <br />Berlin is trying to pick up now, Bremen has to repair its cycle paths...wuppidochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12146251197662222605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-24230877573502903172011-01-25T10:23:07.175+01:002011-01-25T10:23:07.175+01:00@examinedspoke:
Here is what David Hembrow told m...@examinedspoke:<br /><br />Here is what David Hembrow told me when I mentioned roads like that in Amsterdam (okay, maybe not a 70 km/h road, but big city road, at least 50 km/h and with parked cars on the side (ready for a door hook)).<br /><br />"It is an old road, not every road can be up to the latest standard".<br /><br />First you say the cycle path ended, then you say they are notAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-5807314468808043182011-01-24T23:13:51.884+01:002011-01-24T23:13:51.884+01:00@jonbendtsen
"What do you think that big fa...@jonbendtsen <br /><br />"What do you think that big fat white line a long the road is in first video t=0m10s?"<br /><br />Perhaps the Danes mark their bicycle lanes with fat white lines, but I saw it more as a road edge stripe. Whatever the case, I would find difficulty calling the area between the paint and the road edge a bicycle lane, given that it was perhaps thirty centimeters Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-47539109791816985822011-01-24T22:58:59.310+01:002011-01-24T22:58:59.310+01:00Jon: The video you chose doesn't shown a simil...Jon: The video you chose doesn't shown a similar situation. Examinedspoke's video is of a road carrying a lot of motor vehicle traffic which has a 70 km/h speed limit. I have never found myself cycling on a road with such a volume of traffic at such a speed in NL. The twilwel video that you provide a link to is of a minor road with 30 km/h speed restrictions over speed bumps. There is no David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.com