tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post1938167414424108542..comments2024-03-27T12:53:39.298+01:00Comments on A view from the cycle path: Another cycling infrastructure updateDavid Hembrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-64963838550556902032011-08-05T16:19:03.188+02:002011-08-05T16:19:03.188+02:00Speaking of "road improvements", I'v...Speaking of "road improvements", I've stumbled upon the <a href="http://www.hillegom.nl/default/wonenenverkeer/Herinrichtingn208/id_72223" rel="nofollow">N208 project</a> in Hillegom (from <a href="http://www.fietsersbond.nl/nieuws/2011/08/fietsersbond-hillegom-haalt-asfalt-binnen" rel="nofollow">Fietsersbond article</a> mentioning their success at getting asphalt instead of tiles Colibrinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-13530107237187756712011-08-02T15:56:07.446+02:002011-08-02T15:56:07.446+02:00Cycling 2 abreast on the road is legal in the UK, ...Cycling 2 abreast on the road is legal in the UK, AFAIUI.<br /><br />Of course that won't stop you being shouted at and of course no cycle lane/path is wide enough for that.Neilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11443493823465136241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-14567937296079461032011-08-02T09:18:14.977+02:002011-08-02T09:18:14.977+02:00@David Hembrow. Your two new examples do indeed lo...@David Hembrow. Your two new examples do indeed look the same but as you state they are completely different. This is a residential street, not an A-road or an equivalent. The speed is 50kph and because of the turn no car could even get to 100kph in such a short stretch of road. The second part of the street is really what makes clear that it is indeed a residential street: the center line was Mark W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07882028603632115187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-8623604523061320472011-08-02T09:05:27.594+02:002011-08-02T09:05:27.594+02:00@Wolfgang: Yes, that is the basic rule in the Neth...@Wolfgang: Yes, that is the basic rule in the Netherlands: <i>cyclists are always allowed to cycle two abreast</i>. On cycle paths (that is why those are almost always double the width of German paths) and also on the road. There is a small 'unless' in the law that says something like 'unless that is absolutely impossible' but that is hardly ever the case anymore. <br /><br />The Mark W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07882028603632115187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-70253470795965897062011-08-02T03:18:07.559+02:002011-08-02T03:18:07.559+02:00Are cyclists allowed to cycle two aside on the roa...Are cyclists allowed to cycle two aside on the road, as they do in the before part of the video? In Germany that's almost always forbidden and you would get honked at a lot. Drivers might even completely forget to overtake you facing such an “unbelievable traffic hinderance”.Wolfgangnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-27319237811284297462011-08-02T00:33:13.316+02:002011-08-02T00:33:13.316+02:00Mark, thanks for your explanation. What you say of...Mark, thanks for your explanation. What you say of course makes a lot of sense. I'm sure that you wouldn't have used it as an example if you didn't think it was a good example. In a sense, this is quite interesting in itself. It's a cultural thing.<br /><br />I think that what we're concerned about is that if you were to look at it from a British road designer's point of David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-15968226110047040552011-07-30T21:06:32.417+02:002011-07-30T21:06:32.417+02:00Regarding the comments of now both Davids. Since I...Regarding the comments of now both Davids. Since I still didn't understood what you two saw that I don't ('bad design'), I rewatched the video and now I think I understand you two focus on the part from about 10 to 30 seconds. <br />What you see there is exceptional design for an exceptional situation. It is the edge of a square with a small number of shops. Because of the shops Mark W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07882028603632115187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-40016962264407114982011-07-29T13:16:45.521+02:002011-07-29T13:16:45.521+02:00That design looks like a bad precedent to me as we...That design looks like a bad precedent to me as well. If the traffic level is so low, why is a pedestrian refuge (which is what it appears to be – have I got this wrong?) necessary anyway? And if the cars are slowed so much for the bend anyway, why do they need the constriction?<br /><br />I think UK traffic engineers might look at this and use it to justify some very bad practices<br /><br />David Ardittihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06255565837583244148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-64648583370101446832011-07-29T10:15:40.498+02:002011-07-29T10:15:40.498+02:00Cars on cycle lanes when the road narrows? Naughty...Cars on cycle lanes when the road narrows? Naughty, naughty! Anyone looking cycling videos from the UK on youtube will find plenty of close passes and cars squeezing through first on the pinch points. When will we see one from this road? :-)<br /><br />Joking aside, the cycle lane doesn't look very dangerous on the video, so I guess it'll work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-78800952799266493592011-07-28T19:18:45.481+02:002011-07-28T19:18:45.481+02:00Hi David, I think you are a bit too demanding here...Hi David, I think you are a bit too demanding here ;-). The situations in your links are not comparable either in my opinion. While I agree that there seem to be better options than what they have built, the concrete in the middle is really no problem. It is only just before a 90 degree turn so cars have to (and do) slow down there to almost walking pace. The pinch point was there in the before Mark W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07882028603632115187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-59541226465469959712011-07-28T07:46:51.316+02:002011-07-28T07:46:51.316+02:00I have to say, Mark, that I'm not impressed wi...I have to say, Mark, that I'm not impressed with this. The concrete in the middle of the road creates a pinch-point and drivers will pull sideways into the cycle lane when they get to that point.<br /><br />If a device is needed to slow down motorists, it could be done differently. Perhaps two concrete structures, protecting each cycle lane and forcing drivers going in opposing directions to David Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.com