tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post1378855287511602106..comments2024-02-24T06:21:30.987+01:00Comments on A view from the cycle path: The truth about CopenhagenDavid Hembrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-21227829122301632612016-08-01T13:39:08.408+02:002016-08-01T13:39:08.408+02:00The comments about Wibautstraat in Amsterdam versu...The comments about Wibautstraat in Amsterdam versus Stormgade in Copenhagen are disingenious and a highly selective and manipulated comparison.<br /><br />Surely, the proper comparison with Wibautstraat is Nørrebrogade in Copenhagen, which used to be a busy main thoroughfare for cars in the borough of Nørrebro. It was closed off to car traffic except buses and goods deliveries in 2009 and the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-16101483002130629442016-06-28T13:35:15.286+02:002016-06-28T13:35:15.286+02:00Parts of Copenhagen are extremely carcentric. You ...Parts of Copenhagen are extremely carcentric. You have three lanes of traffic in each direction. What they did in Amsterdam is get rid of a lane of traffic and use it to widen the sidewalk, add a separate cycle lane and a line of trees. (Check Wibautstraat in Google Maps, for example).<br /><br />Doesn't seem to be the appetite in Copenhagen to sacrifice those extra car lanes.<br /><br />WalkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-25587558791184363372015-10-21T13:20:26.376+02:002015-10-21T13:20:26.376+02:00Probably the biggest problem plaguing Copenhagen c...Probably the biggest problem plaguing Copenhagen cycle tracks is the intersections, signalized intersections in particular. They have a few roundabouts with cycle lanes. They could add a small curb between lane and car lanes, and while not ideal, it does provide more protection than paint, though a fully separate cycle track with something like 6 metres between cycle path and roadway can be builtMultiparty Democracy Todayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13359081992141220593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-41907554339763222252015-08-14T16:56:31.871+02:002015-08-14T16:56:31.871+02:00So what does Copenhagen need in summary. A verge b...So what does Copenhagen need in summary. A verge between cycle path and roadway, wider cycle tracks, protected intersections/simultaneous green (either is good, I imagine that in central Copenhagen, simultaneous green could be chosen quite a lot by the engineers who see the numbers of left turners justify the extra stage (To get such a junction, you need separate bicycle lights for each directionMultiparty Democracy Todayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13359081992141220593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-6478205228520224812015-08-13T21:29:49.759+02:002015-08-13T21:29:49.759+02:00David, Indeed I was a rather suspicous on the Cope...David, Indeed I was a rather suspicous on the Copenhagenize Index ( And this goes for indexes in general). But I was still surpised how bogus the criteria and the results were, when I look them up.<br /><br />Unfortunately it seems that it gets more attention in the news media than before..<br />(the same goes for the university rankings, health systems etc.)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12201365231135734075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-84967177584652461082015-08-13T16:15:55.256+02:002015-08-13T16:15:55.256+02:00Al lws: Frankly, I'm surprised that anyone tak...Al lws: Frankly, I'm surprised that anyone takes the Copenhagenize index seriously. The methodology is absurd (look it up - they're open enough to admit this) and it seems designed specifically not to tell the truth about anything - including about Copenhagen. It's merely a marketing tool. The product that is being sold is Copenhagenize.<br /><br />Neither Amsterdam nor Copenhagen areDavid Hembrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14543024940730663645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-68956597051536666862015-08-13T14:03:31.094+02:002015-08-13T14:03:31.094+02:00Hi David,
In reaction to your 2015 update on Dani...Hi David,<br /><br />In reaction to your 2015 update on Danish cuts in the biking budget..<br />The Copenhagenize Index concluded that Copenhagen was no1 biking City before A'dam.<br /><br />What do you think about this ranking, given the self-promotional nature of the Danes. (they claim a 9% rise between 2012-14)<br />I found somewhere full data on this Index, but can't find the page Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12201365231135734075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-50795062199862519852010-09-30T03:46:49.604+02:002010-09-30T03:46:49.604+02:00Timeo Danes et dona ferentes?Timeo Danes et dona ferentes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-48576056745537397032010-08-10T17:36:42.852+02:002010-08-10T17:36:42.852+02:00Copenhagen is one thing, and the whole Netherlands...Copenhagen is one thing, and the whole Netherlands are another thing. How can one compare an urban cycle traffic system like Copenhagen with the cycle traffic of a whole country including small cities and countryside? Of course both is totally different. The hint to density is important, thanks to Frits B.<br /><br />Something important is that Copenhagen has always cycle infrastructure on both hamburgize.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203988332347924137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-46997645102745367642010-03-30T16:05:32.656+02:002010-03-30T16:05:32.656+02:00Thanks for an informative post. The spurious 40%, ...Thanks for an informative post. The spurious 40%, or 37%, mode share figure for Copenhagen is widely cited. I heard it in a talk by Hans Voerknecht of the Dutch Fietsberaad, a government agency, as he toured the USA in the fall of 2008. He should know better!<br /><br />The call for better bicycle facilities raises the question: what bicycle facilities are better? This issue becomes more pressingJohn S. Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08731232655773487676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-18648724064248323152010-03-01T11:19:39.698+01:002010-03-01T11:19:39.698+01:00I directly asked for the overall bicycle share in ...I directly asked for the overall bicycle share in Copenhagen, since I couldn't find any figure and here in Germany we mostly don't specify the commuting part but only the overall figures. So, this is what I learned from the KØBENHAVNS KOMMUNE, Teknik- og Miljøforvaltningen, Center for Trafik: "Vores bedste skøn er, at cyklisternes andel af den samlede trafik er 25 %." i.e. "Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-89650365901487271192010-01-28T13:32:46.749+01:002010-01-28T13:32:46.749+01:00Personal experience from Denmark.
People ride thei...Personal experience from Denmark.<br />People ride their bikes when walking takes to long. Schools in Copenhagen are close to home so children walk. Adults work/study further away so they cycle.<br />In the countryside children cycle everywhere because everything is further away.dink213https://www.blogger.com/profile/03072225139944561249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-55860762164034465782010-01-25T05:27:55.066+01:002010-01-25T05:27:55.066+01:00@matthew: Regarding Berlin, can you please tell me...@matthew: Regarding Berlin, can you please tell me you think it is a cycling mecca and presumably better than Copenhagen or anywhere in the NL? (I have also been here for about a year).<br /><br />Among other things, please let me know how cycling is for people not in your class/age/income/culture bracket.Slow Factoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12056080802746709323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-37741780301059159992010-01-04T17:27:50.577+01:002010-01-04T17:27:50.577+01:0025% av Copenhagen households with two or more chil...25% av Copenhagen households with two or more children have a cargo bike or a trailer. Source Cykelregnskab 2008 page 14.<br /><br />I once borrowed a friend's Nihola and rode it at my usual pace on the bike path (maybe 20-25 km/h or so; this was not in Copenhagen). There were errant pedestrians as usual, but one of them was clearly suprised, judging by the expression on his face :)<br /><brErik Sandblomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14411108063216855210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-25336562034643825712010-01-04T17:04:15.890+01:002010-01-04T17:04:15.890+01:00I hadn't thought of the case of cargo bikes cr...I hadn't thought of the case of cargo bikes crowding things, but that is a definite possibility. Not only are they (we, actually -- I ride one usually) wider and heavier, once you have hauled heavy loads for a while you (well, I, at least) become much more tolerant of the occasional bump or scrape -- I've scraped bridge railings with my load, and rather than fall, I just adjust my dr2chasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16320828055999939449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-10579068315159911802010-01-04T15:56:28.321+01:002010-01-04T15:56:28.321+01:00Mathew, read the post again. Copenhagen's cycl...Mathew, read the post again. Copenhagen's cycling rate is not declining, it's increasing.<br /><br />What's declining is the proportion of people who feel safe on the bike paths. It's also notable that cyclists gave the <i>width</i> of the cycle path a 7/10 approval rating in 1996, this fell to 4 out of 10 in 2008. Unless the bike paths went on a diet, this reflects the <b>larger<Erik Sandblomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14411108063216855210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-10686592153400284792010-01-04T13:10:41.413+01:002010-01-04T13:10:41.413+01:00Bit of lateral thinking here, but.... could Copenh...Bit of lateral thinking here, but.... could Copenhagen's declining cycling rate have anything to do with it's recently completed undergound metro?<br /><br />Been five years since I was last there, and the tube wasn't finished then, but surely that would account for some modal shift.<br /><br />On a related note, whilst Copenhagen always seemed to me the mecca of city cycling, having Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12608144436173241063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-49246796443894572752009-12-22T09:30:14.131+01:002009-12-22T09:30:14.131+01:00Great article! I just want to add a few words from...Great article! I just want to add a few words from Seattle perspective.<br /><br />I took a trip in September and October to cycle in Copenhagen, Amsterdam and Groningen. From my Northwest American perspective, I have to say they were all wonderful - and riding in Copenhagen rocked!. While I agree that the experience in Groningen did indeed feel a bit safer than the riding in Copenhagen and gregFromSeattlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-68314824462448823622009-12-14T12:07:55.810+01:002009-12-14T12:07:55.810+01:00Excellent article. Thank you.
You are highlighting...Excellent article. Thank you.<br />You are highlighting a lot of the challenges that we have in Copenhagen. <br /><br />Regarding which specific measures to implement, Copenhagen is looking very much to Holland for inspiration and are happy to have such a good example to refer to. <br /><br />- and yes, sometimes people (including media) get carried away and claim that Copenhagen already is the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-33235030130036960922009-12-11T19:54:02.929+01:002009-12-11T19:54:02.929+01:00The term Groningenize makes me smile. But you'...The term Groningenize makes me smile. But you've forgotten one thing, David: How is this pronounced?<br /><br />:-)aclinehttp://isocrates.us/bike/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-51040576543933168952009-12-09T23:51:50.272+01:002009-12-09T23:51:50.272+01:00Anna - Groningen has a population of 185,000 on 88...Anna - Groningen has a population of 185,000 on 88 km2 --> density 2324/km2. Greater Copenhagen has a population of 1,9 million on 453 km2 --> density 5971/km2, whereas Vienna has a population of 1.6 million on 415 km2 --> density 4011/km2. Groningen's town centre is mediaeval, however, so very compact; it's hard to believe that those streets were once two-way traffic. It takes Frits Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11399632570565541892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-20688880346236177872009-12-09T22:01:57.087+01:002009-12-09T22:01:57.087+01:00Thanks for a great blog.
I guess you are right abo...Thanks for a great blog.<br />I guess you are right about Copenhagen not being the bicycle capital of the world, but the difference between Copenhagen and fellow Scandinavian capitol Oslo where I commute by bike every day could not have been bigger. The bicycle path network is underdeveloped, but the worst part: Even the new "bicycle paths" being built are just a painted line on the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-12004654320247976922009-12-09T18:18:26.582+01:002009-12-09T18:18:26.582+01:00i wish we had these kinds of problems in chicago.i wish we had these kinds of problems in chicago.Jason Tinkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09202237443936983021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-57692197019127654502009-12-09T16:47:28.527+01:002009-12-09T16:47:28.527+01:00For a Midwesterner USA, both Copenhagenized and Gr...For a Midwesterner USA, both Copenhagenized and Groningenized are pure dreams. In the St Louis region we just got done expanding a highway through the urban core with higher speed limits than before, the removal of homes and pedestrian bridges-walkways. Accessing dozens of stores, restaurants, etc. less than 1000 feet away on the other side of the highway requires traveling on eight lane roads Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102538965694240940.post-63388199004844010712009-12-09T16:46:18.897+01:002009-12-09T16:46:18.897+01:00Interesting thoughts, I like it. I think the world...Interesting thoughts, I like it. I think the world should have different role models -- all towns are designed differently, are of different population, density etc. Things that work in one case might completely fail in another. Groningen is rather a small town compared (even Kopenhagen doesn't have many inhabitents) but the density is very low --> propably there's simply much more annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14989947994626570874noreply@blogger.com